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Looks like the current administration better buckle up...

“Rocky Mountain Front - Sacrificial Lamb For The Sake of Las Vegas Casinos?”

Choteau, MT - Ranchers, wilderness outfitters and Blackfeet tribal members sat side by side with hunters, anglers, and other conservation minded individuals in a packed house in Choteau on Saturday for Montana Wildlife Federation’s (MWF) Public Symposium on the Rocky Mountain Front: A Wildlife Paradise. A crowded room of more than 150 people discussed the
Rocky Mountain Front at the Choteau Country Club on Saturday, December 6, 2003. Despite some other issue differences, the group spoke as one, DO NOT DRILL THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN FRONT! Panel discussions explored energy development, travel planning and values of the Front and its future.

A lifelong Republican, Karl Rappold’s ranch borders the Front and the wilderness and he has changed his view about this president and his party’s Energy Bill; as he said on Tom Brokaw’s Nightly News this past Wednesday, he stated at the Symposium, ” My grandfather came to the Mountain Front in 1882 and for 100 and 21 years it has done nothing but provide for my family. It’s my turn to stand up for the Front. Its fresh air, clean water and hard grass produces the best beef cattle in the world. I want to keep it for my children, not as a gas slope."

Well known hunter and outdoor writer for conservation periodicals such as Sports Afield, Outside and Audubon magazine, plus his own books, Ted Kerasote, spoke to the heart of values when he said: ”Anyone who values the Front should work as hard as possible to put another administration in power.” Speakers throughout the day lauded the values, fearing that those values could quickly become degraded if energy and travel planning doesn’t proceed with caution.

The Rocky Mountain Front is a fish and wildlife paradise. This striking landscape, the source for four major river drainages, six if you include that portion north of Highway 2, supports the largest herd of Bighorn Sheep in the US, a fact only slightly more significant than that it also includes the nation’s second largest free-roaming elk herd that migrates from deep wilderness haunts of the Bob Marshall Complex to the plains to survive the winter. “The Front is the only area remaining where the Grizzly Bear migrates to the Great Plains” world-recognized bear biologist, Mike Madel of Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks said, as he impressed the audience with his slides. “Mountain goats, wolverines, swift fox, wolves add to the list of game and non-game birds and mammals; 290 species or more, live here”. Madel boasts of wildlife value unique to the Front: “ All species present here when Lewis and Clark passed by remain here with the exception of the American Bison.” Starting in 1913, hunters, business owners, hikers, outfitters and multi-generational landowners worked together to protect this “American Serengeti” as the Front is often referred to.

Leases to drill for the minimal natural gas reserves proved the most contentious. A standing ovation greeted the initial speaker of the day, one-time Lewis and Clark National Forest Supervisor, Gloria Flora, who, in 1997 while she was in that position, placed the Rocky Mountain Front off-limits to Natural Gas Leases for ten years. If the BLM approves drilling, her authority to conserve the significant values of this area from effects of drilling would be curtailed. Flora found it interesting that “The Energy Bill and Executive Orders and all statements by the Administration stress expediting the permitting and exploration process, but nowhere did I hear that mitigation, monitoring by the administration, compliance nor reclamation be expedited. Oh No! It’s just getting permits out the door that is where we are now focused.” Present administration and Congressional priorities clearly want to set a precedent as documented by statements made by Tom DeLay and relayed by Flora. “Congress and Industry knows that if they can get in there (circumventing environmental protection to drill the Front), they can get in anywhere.”

North of the Canadian border, residents are already experiencing what symposium attendees fear for the Front. Dr. Brian Horejsi, with a BS in Forestry and a Doctorate in Biology was once a consultant to the western Canadian oil and gas industry. Dr. Horejsi presented slides of sulfur piles 25 feet thick, big enough to cover a football field. Poisonings from broken gas lines, pictures of bighorn ewes burnt black but still walking, and quotes of ravished wildlife populations punctuated their tale of industry abuse. Horejsi gave supporting information the effects of habitat fragmentation. He showed a graph that illuminated sow grizzly home ranges; 3 grizzly bear females occupy an area in Alberta corresponding in size to an area south of the border in the Northern Rockies Ecosystem that supports densities of over 200 female bears.

“Alberta is the home of the world record bighorn ram and there is an economic effect from preserving sheep,” Mike Judd, an Alberta outfitter who lives within a half-mile of a natural gas drill site, stated, “In the past 6 or 7 years, there hasn’t been a legal bighorn ram killed. The oil and gas industry has usurped some of the most valuable wildlife habitat on the continent!”

Public participation is not part of the Canadian system as it is in the US; wells are drilled less than 2 months after the application to drill is received. Don Judice of the U. S. Bureau of Land Management processes the applications to drill for federal minerals, some of which lie under private lands in a legal situation known as “split estate.”

“You wouldn’t want my job!” he complained. Lewis and Clark Forest Supervisor, Rolando Ortegon concurred that it is a difficult position to be in, but orders come from Washington and they have no choice but to follow them.

During the question and Answer portion of this panel, Patrick Montalban, an oil and gas developer from Cut Bank spoke up in defense of his industry: “I am in favor of developing natural gas on the Rocky Mountain Front!” He related alcoholism and violence to a lack of jobs, insisting that developing the Front will bring jobs. “Unemployment is our greatest problem, folks, not saving the bears, and the coyotes and the wolves. It’s not the priority of the State of Montana.” Many hands went up when he asked: “How many Montanans are here, the hard working rancher?” but all hands lowered when he asked how many want the front developed. Gloria Flora reminded the developer that the industry itself only estimates 7 jobs total would be created from drilling the Front. Horejsi spoke much more agitated at the statement: “The vast majority of people do not benefit from drilling!”

Choteau schoolteacher, Gene Sentz, displayed a map showing all roads in the US. He pointed to a white spot among the gray of roads saying: “The Front and Bob Marshall are almost the sole unroaded remnants in this Nation. Compromise got us to this point.” He noted that any energy from the Front will likely leave the state and to put things into perspective; “Are we gonna sacrifice our Front for another Las Vegas Casino, or a Nascar race or a Superbowl?” He calculated that one Superbowl uses the equivalent energy that several African countries do in one year, the cost of which equals their gross national product.

The day was punctuated by testimony rife with emotion and expressions of why the Front should remain like it is. Economist John Duffield exploded the myth that jobs come only from industrializing the Front. Recent reports from the Associated Press documented economic benefits from national parks and other protected natural areas.

But perhaps the most powerful speaker was Blackfeet Chief, Earl Old Person, who enraptured listeners with tales of his elders, joking with the crowd, and calling for unity if the trend to develop goes forward. “This is not going to come to an end, we’ll find some solution. This is so dangerous that we don’t know what will happen tomorrow. It is important that you, as leaders, carry the message, so that others are protected.” You could hear a pin drop when the revered leader continued: “While it’s here, we need to do the things that we can to protect what makes it real.”

County Commissioner, Mary Sexton, relayed facts to counter the emotions of
the day citing 7 gas jobs in recent years that offered only $40,000 per year, 2 to 4 % of the county’s budget for schools and county business from gas production in Teton County. Many participants, from rancher Dusty Crary, to outfitter Chuck Blixrud, shared their experiences and expressed that they want to continue making their living in the same way that they always have. An uncompromised, protected Front is the only way to accomplish that.

Ted Kerasote finished the day. He relayed experiences about the wholesale
exploitation of his home in Jackson Hole and to not let the same arguments, expressed by the gentleman from Cut Bank, push jobs and economics as the reason to drill the Front. ”The future will bring only scarcity; you are sitting on a gold mine! Saving it is making the right decision.”.


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<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 12-11-2003 14:08: Message edited by: BuzzH ]</font>
 
How come all political Issues are so long ? I sure like the Joke section better
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Environmentally, I have to agree that he stinks. I'm still waiting for someone to give me a logical explanation of just how he hurt the economy.
 
And giving money to other countries is unique to Bush in what way? Oh, that's right...the other guy's handouts were for humanitarian issues.
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No that's not necessarily only a Bush thing, but tell me, what the heck is he doing to help our economy? I don't see him cutting back on spending within our country either. Where is all this money coming from? Yeah I know, just print more, right? I don't see him doing anything to solve the illegal immigration problem, which this country is throwing away millions of dollars a year on. In my opinion, if he wants to spend money we don't have, he should at least be spending it on something worthwhile, like wildlife habitat.
 
I live 10 miles from the Front. I hunted on and off for the first four weeks fo the season. It's truly a spectacular place. I also spend two years in DC one durring the last year of the Clinton Administration and the first year of Bush. I worked on the Energy Policy from the inside and know what kind of underhanded process created it. As an american we should be ashamed of this President. Sleeping around is one thing steeling a mans country is another.

You know what's really ironic about this whole issue. The large majority of Montanans say "NO", wait, let me be more accurate, they say "HELL NO" to development of the Front. Bush is very pro local control and chastized Clinton and Secritary Babbit for not consluting with the locals (even though they consluted more than any other adminstration) when considering major land use decisions like preservation. Today, Bush is running rough-shod over the locals of Montana by pushing for more development - even thought the local people say HELL NO! Is there somthing wrong here - I think there is.

I was at the forum last weekend and there is no way in hell you could convince me to accept more drilling. The Administration is flat wrong on this one. Bush is flat wrong. If the plans for increased drilling go forward, a world wide treasure will be lost! I have deicided that this issue is important enough to me that I will NOT vote for a Republican or Democrat that supports the energy policy as writen.

The sun's going down along the front as I write this message. The mountains are covered in snow exept where the steepness and wind sweeps the snow to the deep crevisis and narrow coulees. The sky is purple and red and orenge. It's one of the most beautiful sights in the whole world. It would be gone if drilling were allowd. Bush and his power hungry buddies have changed my whole attitude toward Republicans.
 
Finalshot, thats a pretty good post #1, and I agree with everything you said.

The front is absolutely the most fantastic country I've ever seen, and I feel fortunate to have hunted, fished, and otherwise prowled around that country.

The absolute last thing we need there is oil and gas drilling. I'm pretty sure Dubya has bit off a bigger hunk than he can chew on this one. He'll be catching hell from many angles on this.
 
Whadddya mean Dubya don't check with the Locals??? Hell, he has MT Gov Ranicot running his re-election campaign. I am sure that gives him all the exposure to Montanny he needs.

And if he has any question, he has that great Wyoming guy (who happened to live in Texas) Cheney as a VP. And we know Cheney would never favor drilling over wildlife.

Each of these administations has their cliques, and the inner circle. Clinton had one that was bad (The Arkansas gang), Reagan had his (most ended up indicited), CArter had his... The only difference is Dubya's are actually dangerous to the Hunting and Fishing that some of us love....

It is funny how we have people who are so sure they are republican, but can't see how the Bush administration is ruining the West.
 
Glad I heat my house with wood. What do you guy's use to heat with? Canadian natural gas?

Paul
 
WH, without straying any further off topic, I'll say that whoever took over after Clinton (be it Bush, Gore, Nader, or Big Bird) was doomed to have a terrible time in the economy. The Clinton administration's bubble economics saw to that. Bush is doing what he can, just like Gore or anyone else could.

Regarding drilling, I agree that it is going to be a mess if it's done, and a shame. But I do have to ask the same thing I ask of the "no natural resources" folks: what's a good alternative? I agree that we shouldn't drill our wilderness, but I don't want to see us dependent on foreign oil, either. The huggers are always saying we need to concentrate on "alternative sources of energy," but that's like saying that someone needs to invent a spaceship with a warp drive. It's not as simple as concentrating on that one issue and the solution boinks you on the head.

So what do we do? What is a good solution that gets us out of the foreign oil business (an idea that is much supported) but yet does not require us to drill more of our own oil?
 
Dgibson,

What is wrong with Coal mining in Kentucky? Let's keep chewing up Kentucky and W. Virginia...
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No, actually you make some good points, but the Bush Administration continues to go after THE most sacred spots in the US. I for one, am all for drilling the hell out of Texas, invading more countries in the Middle East for Oil, and building nuke plants in the South East.
 
Good question D. G.. I'd like to see Buzz, Ithaca,, Oak, Gunner, and the like seriously answer this question. Until you guys relieze that YOU are just as much a part of the problem as everyone else, and come up with workable options, your whinning falls on deaf ears. What do you guys do to PERSONALLY conserve? The enviromentalist claim that natural gas is the best energy source. I guess that should be clairified, natural gas that is not drilled in THEIR OWN backyard. I'm sure that the majority of you guys would be in the front of the pack of the loudest bawlers if gas rates were raised 20 to 30 percent. "Those damn evil corps and Bush's cronies raping me again." Talk like this just makes you look stupid. Come on guys quit being stupid, give us some REAL ANSWERS!

Paul
 
dgibson, I agree, good point.

What I'd like to see is full tax-deductable credits for taking measures to CONSERVE energy. You know things like putting better insulation in homes, more efficient water heaters, more efficient furnaces, solar panels, better windows, etc. How many houses built in the 40's-60's still have the same old 40% efficient furnaces? It has to be in the millions.

I guess the thing is, we dont do jack diddly to conserve energy, and the wingnut in the whitehouse doesnt even mention conservation. Its just, "well, lets drill the Front"
"well, lets drill ANWR". The amount of gas there could easily be compensated for through conservation efforts. Then, we could leave the Front alone, protecting the absolute best wildlife habitat in Montana.

But, do honestly believe that GW wants conservation? I dont think that pays back his oil buddies for the huge campaign contributions, does it?
 
You know what Paul, why dont you take some of your own advice.

You do more squawking about nothing than anyone on this board, I havent heard your idea yet...funny, from the guy that knows everything...we hear nothing? Hmmm?

Another thing, I think its pretty sad that a board member of the MT FNAWS, would be in favor of drilling the Front in MONTANA. You know, where one of the largest herds of Native bighorn sheep calls home.

You really are a disgrace to Montana and an even bigger disgrace to FNAWS.

Its obvious from your posts you dont give a shit about sheep, if you did, you wouldnt want the Front drilled, roaded and further messed up.

Since you're big into Canada, ask them what the "front" there looks like and what it did to the bighorn sheep there. Better yet, with comprehension like yours I'll add it here:

"“Alberta is the home of the world record bighorn ram and there is an economic effect from preserving sheep,” Mike Judd, an Alberta outfitter who lives within a half-mile of a natural gas drill site, stated, “In the past 6 or 7 years, there hasn’t been a legal bighorn ram killed. The oil and gas industry has usurped some of the most valuable wildlife habitat on the continent!”"


You really are a first class idiot.

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BUZZ is right on this one, in a sense (did I just say that?
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), and my stance on disturbing the FRONT is the same stance I have on these mining cleanups. If we don't have the technology to do it right without making a bigger mess of things, then we need to leave it be unitl a clean means is developed to do it.
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If it means promoting more energy conservation, electric, gas, coal, or oil, then we need to fall in line.

MOOSIE, I haven't heard a politicain tell a good joke (intentionally) in a long time. They always mess up the punch line.
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Hey Paul, did you forget to read this when you signed up for FNAWS?

and to achieve optimum populations of such indigenous species wherever possible throughout North America, and to safeguard against the decline or extinction of any of such indigenous species;
 
I'm pro-protection of the front, period. I'll be back later to post more of my thoughts. I think that those of you who keep trying use the idea that we should allow drilling along the front because we need the energy are not looking deep enough into the issues. Consider the "total" consts. It is a fact that in Montana, an intact front range will do more good for more people than any amount of extraction. Over the long-run, if we let the front get destroyed we will loose big. I talked to the guys from Pincher Creek, I saw their slides and their data. It's clear that oil and gas drilling have distroyed the area economically. By the way, I'm 100% wood heat! I'll be back later!

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