Montana - Ballot Initiative would allow Montana Landowners to Hunt Without Permits

[Ben Lamb]

I know a couple that lease out the ground to outfitters. Then draw the tag on the lop pool with much better draw odds and hunt the public due to the land being leased out. Who is that helping?

It's helping the landowner. That's what the Landowner Preference Program is supposed to do: reward landowners for their stewardship of wildlife. It has nothing to do with leasing or outfitting. The reason that those licenses are good district wide is because a lot of landowners who have wildlife on their properties do not have them during hunting season, so they get to hunt the whole district. If you have elk or deer in your hay all summer, but in the fall they're up on the public, is it unreasonable for those folks to hunt public?

Regardless, my point is that seeking to punish landowners hasn't worked, so going back to the well with ideas that have been tried and failed is wasting folks' time.

 

[Ben Lamb]

45 people online with 2 proponents and 43 opponents.

 

[MThuntr]

45 people online with 2 proponents and 43 opponents.

I'm online however already gave written comment. I may not be able to speak as it doubles my comment

 

[Ben Lamb]

I'm online however already gave written comment. I may not be able to speak as it doubles my comment

Pro tip: If you use a limerick, it counts as a second comment.

 

[MThuntr]

Pro tip: If you use a limerick, it counts as a second comment.

I lost connectivity and did not get back to comment but everyone else seemed to have the same to say.

 

[Ben Lamb]

"This one puts the Um in Dumb" Jimmy Keane (Butte, America).

EQC Votes 8-8 to support. As a tie vote, this will not recieve support from EQC as it did not receive a majority of votes in support.


Yes: Fielder, Hinebauch, Hinkle, Bartel, Brown, Knudsen, Manzella, Gunderson

No: Curdy, Flowers, Karlin, Marler, Galt, Keane, Metropolis, Vermillion

 

[MThuntr]

"This one puts the Um in Dumb" Jimmy Keane (Butte, America).

EQC Votes 8-8 to support. As a tie vote, this will not recieve support from EQC as it did not receive a majority of votes in support.


Yes: Fielder, Hinebauch, Hinkle, Bartel, Brown, Knudsen, Manzella, Gunderson

No: Curdy, Flowers, Karlin, Marler, Galt, Keane, Metropolis, Vermillion

I did a spit take when I heard that quote

 

[Ben Lamb]

There are few people in this world who are better at being an irascible scoundrel than Jimmy Keane.

 

[SAJ-99]

"This one puts the Um in Dumb" Jimmy Keane (Butte, America).

EQC Votes 8-8 to support. As a tie vote, this will not recieve support from EQC as it did not receive a majority of votes in support.


Yes: Fielder, Hinebauch, Hinkle, Bartel, Brown, Knudsen, Manzella, Gunderson

No: Curdy, Flowers, Karlin, Marler, Galt, Keane, Metropolis, Vermillion

So 96% of the comments were against and HALF the EQC was like "sounds like a good idea, I'm in"?

 

[Ben Lamb]

So 96% of the comments were against and HALF the EQC was like "sounds like a good idea, I'm in"?

 

[RandanP]

The fact that FWP couldn’t be bothered to show up in inexcusable.

 

[SAJ-99]

I don't know how you did your job for so long without taking a flamethrower to the meeting.

 

[tjones]

My very own Manzella never disappoints when it comes to voting for dumb stuff

 

[Ben Lamb]

I don't know how you did your job for so long without taking a flamethrower to the meeting.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Wyoming does this extremely well. I don't think it's an insurmountable hurdle to get this done in MT and it would help in a lot of ways, especially when you look at getting real numbers relative to hunter days instead of folks who "forgot to sign in."

I signed it at a Type 1 BMA that had 2 other hunter parties signed in for the day. It was plenty big so I went ahead and hunted. I wasn’t prepared for the additional 6 vehicles parked at the parking area I planned to use.

 

[YoungGun]

"This one puts the Um in Dumb" Jimmy Keane (Butte, America).

EQC Votes 8-8 to support. As a tie vote, this will not recieve support from EQC as it did not receive a majority of votes in support.


Yes: Fielder, Hinebauch, Hinkle, Bartel, Brown, Knudsen, Manzella, Gunderson

No: Curdy, Flowers, Karlin, Marler, Galt, Keane, Metropolis, Vermillion

As a side story to just how extreme some of these folks are, Montana tried to create an enhancement for possession of a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking. Hinkle down voted it saying, and I quote, "Even drug dealers have a right to protect their stash". And yet we act surprised when we keep electing them and they keep voting in such an inept manner.

 

[Ben Lamb]

As a side story to just how extreme some of these folks are, Montana tried to create an enhancement for possession of a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking. Hinkle down voted it saying, and I quote, "Even drug dealers have a right to protect their stash". And yet we act surprised when we keep electing them and they keep voting in such an inept manner.

Representative Hinkle is the likely chair for House Fish, Wildlife and Parks, btw.

 

[YoungGun]

Representative Hinkle is the likely chair for House Fish, Wildlife and Parks, btw.

Some elections cannot come soon enough.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Some elections cannot come soon enough.

He keeps getting sent back.

 

[Nick87]

They should be able to. It's ridiculous they can't currently. Virginia you can hunt on your own land or direct kin's land with no hunting licenses. It just has to be the actual hunting season.

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that stupid ass concept.