Land management agency impact stories...

[Forkyfinder]

Why do you have a picture of a boy in his underwear as your avatar?

The child smoking a cigar and holding a miller light? Seemed fitting to my takes here. Inappopriate.

What made you capn crunch? Did a bad batch give you the shits and help inspire these long rants out of a weird combination of boredom and frustration?

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

I can’t tell if you’re a prepubescent teen living with mom and dad or an angry 50 year pissed about the stock market.

You’re merry go round is exhausting.

PM me and I’ll have a real conversation.

You just don’t get it! Your first sentence is to offend me then you want me to PM you for a “real”conversation?

Tone deaf & insulting while insinuating you want to talk, bro! Do you have a Mentor?

Nah, I’m good.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

The child smoking a cigar and holding a miller light? Seemed fitting to my takes here. Inappopriate.

What made you capn crunch? Did a bad batch give you the shits and help inspire these long rants out of a weird combination of boredom and frustration?

That’s almost right and really funny! The shits for sure and a little of the boredom but no frustrations here. Life’s awesome.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Not debating. I think the point of this is people being fired without true process to determine good/effective vs just collecting a paycheck. Your comment could be said by many of them as well.

Sorry to hear you got RIF'd. I have been there. I wish you the best.

Thank you!

 

[Straight Arrow]

What made you capn crunch?

Crediblilty issues for Raisin Bran resulted in handle change to Cap'n Crunch. Cap'n Crunch has upped his game with more credible research and plausible conclusions.

 

[DFS]

I appreciate public land and the people that work there. Hopefully it is there for generations to come.

 

[Forkyfinder]

That’s almost right and really funny! The shits for sure and a little of the boredom but no frustrations here. Life’s awesome.

Hey cheers to that. It was meant to be funny.

Honestly - you should try to ask what those employees (depending, of course) are doing. You might be suprised.

 

[INMT]

You just don’t get it! Your first sentence is to offend me then you want me to PM you for a “real”conversation?

Tone deaf & insulting while insinuating you want to talk, bro! Do you have a Mentor?

Nah, I’m good.

My mentor died 15 years ago. I really don’t care what a keyboard warrior thinks. Keep spitballing.

 

[BuzzH]

Now they want the workers back...what a total clown show.

Some agencies are walking back workforce cuts with critical functions at risk of failure

The agency working on bird flu response is among those making contingency plans to slow down or pause work due to staff shortages.

www.govexec.com

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

My mentor died 15 years ago. I really don’t care what a keyboard warrior thinks. Keep spitballing.

Man, I am sorry for your loss!! I get it and sincerely hope you find a way to learn to start communicating in a none attacking style.

Best Regards Always-

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Now they want the workers back...what a total clown show.

Some agencies are walking back workforce cuts with critical functions at risk of failure

The agency working on bird flu response is among those making contingency plans to slow down or pause work due to staff shortages.

www.govexec.com

Pretty confusing for sure!

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Hey cheers to that. It was meant to be funny.

Honestly - you should try to ask what those employees (depending, of course) are doing. You might be suprised.

I am lost as to what you are referring to. After all of the Piranha attack posting against me I think maybe something or many things got lost up to this point?

Posts #227-#229

Then lastly #234. That’s it. Simple

Everything else was the usual garbage attacks by the usual suspects.

Thanks for slowing down to adjust course slightly in your responses, I appreciate that!

 

[hank4elk]

USFW had the 3 trappers working on SW wolves quit.
New listing for job.

 

[Bonasababy]

Man, you guys should read or reread that AI output. How many people you work with could produce that let alone in seconds? It's on par or better than most of the articles posted.

If Grok was really behind the scenes it would be going a lot better

If you mean if AI was leading the country instead of this administration, I sure agree with you!

 

[Gr8bawana]

Not AI it's A1

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Here’s the last one! Seems to be the most important.

Areas of Potential Inaccuracy/Exaggeration

• Firefighting Impact: The thread’s claim that layoffs broadly threaten wildfire response may exaggerate the immediate risk, as agencies prioritized retaining operational firefighters. However, the loss of support staff could still strain capacity, so the concern isn’t baseless.

• Campground Closures: The mention of closed campgrounds during hunting season is anecdotal and lacks specific examples or widespread confirmation, reducing its reliability.

• Privatization Narrative: While privatization fears are grounded in historical trends and policy proposals, the thread’s framing as a deliberate “billionaire agenda” risks hyperbole without direct evidence of intent.

• Layoff Numbers: The thread’s figures (e.g., 3,400 USFS, 2,000 probationary) align with most reports but may overstate totals in some cases due to discrepancies (e.g., USDA’s 2,000 figure) or omit reinstatements.

Gaps and Uncertainties

• Long-Term Impacts: The thread speculates on future consequences (e.g., trail closures, privatization) but lacks predictive data, as impacts depend on future budgets, hiring, and policy shifts.

• Verification of Anecdotes: Some stories (e.g closed campgrounds, specific employee roles) are unverified beyond user posts, requiring caution.

• DOGE’s Savings Claims: The $65 billion savings figure cited in related reports is unverified, undermining claims of efficiency gains.

• State vs. Federal Land Management: The 2015 study’s cost-effectiveness claim is referenced but not critically examined, and its applicability to current policy is unclear.

Critical Analysis of Sources and Narrative

The thread draws from reputable sources like The Guardian, Fox News, and firsthand accounts, but its reliance on user posts introduces risks of bias and incomplete context. News articles (e.g The Guardian, USA Today) are generally reliable but may emphasize dramatic impacts due to editorial framing, potentially amplifying the thread’s alarmist tone. Official statements from agencies & DOGE focus on efficiency & deny critical service disruptions, suggesting a narrative gap between government claims & employee experiences. The thread’s privatization fears align with historical advocacy (e.g Project 2025) but may over interpret DOGE’s actions as a coordinated strategy rather than ad hoc cost-cutting, a point critics of the establishment narrative might challenge as speculative.

Conclusion

The “Land Management Agency Impact Stories” thread is mostly accurate in reporting layoff numbers, personal impacts, & immediate effects on public lands, with strong corroboration from news sources & employee accounts. Claims about 3,400 USFS & 1,000 NPS layoffs, personal stories, & service disruptions (e.g., delayed reservations) are well-supported. However some claims like broad firefighting risks & campground closures may exaggerate immediate impacts or lack specific evidence, & privatization concerns, while plausible, remain speculative without direct proof. The thread’s accuracy is tempered by its emotional tone, selective focus on negative impacts, & omission of reinstatements (e.g., 6,000 USFS workers, 7,700 NPS seasonal hires). For a balanced view, users should cross-check with primary sources (e.g., USDA statements, court rulings) & remain skeptical of both alarmist narratives and government assurances until long-term outcomes are clearer.

So what you're saying is that even the AI generated summary was too long and boring to read all the way through. Got it.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

So, let's get this thread back on track.

The idea that decades worth of experience walking out the door in a single office, multiplied 100's of times over is troubling but in no way is it unique to this moment in time. This happens literally every year. And while worrisome by those leaving, it is somehow always overcome because younger folks who are more in touch with the moment, step up and manage through the change.

What is TRULY worrisome is not the loss we are experiencing now. It is the loss of an entire generation of talent that is lurking in the wings, or that only recently began, and who will never forget this SH.T SH.W and who will never enter or re-enter federal employment. This impact won't show up immediately. But in 10 years when all the present day 40-somethings that have no choice but to take over this mess, finally retire, there will be a giant sucking sound from the void that has been created by project 2025.

So, we can talk about the short term impacts - and they are very real. But we won't feel the true impact of this moment for another 10-15 years when there are no true, serious professionals left in government service to step in and lead when the current mid-career professionals leave.

We will be telling our grandchildren stories about a time when the federal government was full of dedicated, professional public servants and it will sound like a complete fairy tale to them.

 

[BuzzH]

So, let's get this thread back on track.

The idea that decades worth of experience walking out the door in a single office, multiplied 100's of times over is troubling but in no way is it unique to this moment in time. This happens literally every year. And while worrisome by those leaving, it is somehow always overcome because younger folks who are more in touch with the moment, step up and manage through the change.

What is TRULY worrisome is not the loss we are experiencing now. It is the loss of an entire generation of talent that is lurking in the wings, or that only recently began, and who will never forget this SH.T SH.W and who will never enter or re-enter federal employment. This impact won't show up immediately. But in 10 years when all the present day 40-somethings that have no choice but to take over this mess, finally retire, there will be a giant sucking sound from the void that has been created by project 2025.

So, we can talk about the short term impacts - and they are very real. But we won't feel the true impact of this moment for another 10-15 years when there are no true, serious professionals left in government service to step in and lead when the current mid-career professionals leave.

We will be telling our grandchildren stories about a time when the federal government was full of dedicated, professional public servants and it will sound like a complete fairy tale to them.

Totally agree.

The program I work for at full staffing is 86 employees, as of today, we're down 50%, 43 left. We lost 18 field folks the last 2 weeks, most were 20+ year employees, a handful were only a couple years in and bagged it. I can't blame any of them for making the choices they have, if I were half smart I would have been one of them.

Lost some of the best woodsmen/women I've ever had the pleasure of working with, its been a tough couple weeks. Other than people I've worked with that have died in Service, the last 2 weeks have been the shittiest of my nearly 4 decade career.

I also agree with you about the upcoming years, people remember these kind of events for a generation. Between the constant crap from the public, crap from the Administration, very modest salary, required education, threats of losing pensions, fair health coverage, increased costs of living in mountain communities...I would NOT recommend anyone work for the feds. Things would have to change drastically, and I mean drastically before I would recommend working for any of the land management agencies.

We could always adapt to mission changes, different goals between administrations, budget issues all the usual stuff. What has happened this time, its not any of that. To call what's going on a shitshow, is really an insult to a proper shitshow. No thought, no planning, no organization, illegal firings, well over 100 lawsuits, no communication, etc. etc.

Make no mistake the goal of what's happening was never about saving money, never about reorganization, realigning priorities, efficiency...that's all a pack of fuggin' lies.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Totally agree.

The program I work for at full staffing is 86 employees, as of today, we're down 50%, 43 left. We lost 18 field folks the last 2 weeks, most were 20+ year employees, a handful were only a couple years in and bagged it. I can't blame any of them for making the choices they have, if I were half smart I would have been one of them.

Lost some of the best woodsmen/women I've ever had the pleasure of working with, its been a tough couple weeks. Other than people I've worked with that have died in Service, the last 2 weeks have been the shittiest of my nearly 4 decade career.

I also agree with you about the upcoming years, people remember these kind of events for a generation. Between the constant crap from the public, crap from the Administration, very modest salary, required education, threats of losing pensions, fair health coverage, increased costs of living in mountain communities...I would NOT recommend anyone work for the feds. Things would have to change drastically, and I mean drastically before I would recommend working for any of the land management agencies.

We could always adapt to mission changes, different goals between administrations, budget issues all the usual stuff. What has happened this time, its not any of that. To call what's going on a shitshow, is really an insult to a proper shitshow. No thought, no planning, no organization, illegal firings, well over 100 lawsuits, no communication, etc. etc.

Make no mistake the goal of what's happening was never about saving money, never about reorganization, realigning priorities, efficiency...that's all a pack of fuggin' lies.

Proper civil servants are inconvenient to people hell bent on breaking the law. So the idea is to get rid of them, scare them into compliance, or replace them with their own. Anyone with a brain can understand what is happening. And now that they have 2 out of 3 branches, they are going after the third. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

 

[BuzzH]

Proper civil servants are inconvenient to people hell bent on breaking the law. So the idea is to get rid of them, scare them into compliance, or replace them with their own. Anyone with a brain can understand what is happening. And now that they have 2 out of 3 branches, they are going after the third. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

There is a huge advantage to being retirement eligible when it comes to being scared into compliance.