Land management agency impact stories...

[Hunting Wife]

Haven't posted on this one in a while but the growing brain drain in USFS and FWS is frightening. Lots of experienced people being lost and few left in many places. I know some of them, they wouldn't have left this early otherwise and in fact I suspect many are looking for other jobs.

So what's the impact?

Well for starters expect Pittman Robertson and Dingell Johnson compliance to be gutted if not even non-existent. We all pay for that program and the folks insuring states/industries and politicians don't abuse it are leaving or being hamstrung. Lots of sportsmen and conservation minded folks don't know how important these programs and oversight of them have been to what we love.

Programs and funding that help the critters we chase are being cut or dropped too.

Rare/declining species experts leaving too. Some of which are hunted species guys, and their work often supported habitat that helped us too.

I added up the years for just the folks I directly interact with that we lost last week. Over 500 years combined experience, and it’s a tiny fraction of the total. Combined with our last few years of new recruits almost completely lacking relevant experience, we are not in a good place.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

It’s pretty amazing for all of you to think that your experience is so golden and that the world will end if all of the experience is gone.

Short sided, arrogant or ??? I don’t know but if you would just step back, take a breath and realize the world will be ok and yes, everyone is replaceable.

I get that “cause and effect” are always at play but give me a break on the sob story of lost experience and tenure! You started at zero experience at some point and others will start at zero experience too.

Anything above zero compounds with time.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Well, wasn’t that cute.

Are hitting on me???

Wrong site bro!

 

[El Jason]

Are hitting on me???

Wrong site bro!

If you think I was hitting on you, maybe you need to have AI read and translate for you

 

[SAJ-99]

It’s pretty amazing for all of you to think that your experience is so golden and that the world will end if all of the experience is gone.

Short sided, arrogant or ??? I don’t know but if you would just step back, take a breath and realize the world will be ok and yes, everyone is replaceable.

I get that “cause and effect” are always at play but give me a break on the sob story of lost experience and tenure! You started at zero experience at some point and others will start at zero experience too.

Anything above zero compounds with time.

This is the Schrodinger's Cat argument. The government is inefficient but losing experience people will simultaneously be an improvement in efficiency.

 

[BuzzH]

It’s pretty amazing for all of you to think that your experience is so golden and that the world will end if all of the experience is gone.

Short sided, arrogant or ??? I don’t know but if you would just step back, take a breath and realize the world will be ok and yes, everyone is replaceable.

I get that “cause and effect” are always at play but give me a break on the sob story of lost experience and tenure! You started at zero experience at some point and others will start at zero experience too.

Anything above zero compounds with time.

You're the type that knows everything, so I can see how it's impossible for you to learn from other people.

I had some great mentors in the field I work in and that saved me a lot of trouble, time, and effort. It's vital to pass that knowledge on to the next employees. If the goal of this horseshit being peddled by agent orange and his trusty sidekick tesla boy is truly about efficiency and cost savings, then they would realize that what they're doing is a miserable failure. Losing 25%+ of your most senior and best employees all at once is not a good model. Ask anyone that runs a business successfully, they'll tell you the same thing.

Its not about people being arrogant or thinking the world will end without them, its about keeping the programs running smoothly, more efficiently, and making the next generation of worker better than you were.

I fully admit that I made a lot of mistakes along the way, but also I avoided a bunch too thanks to those that came before me. If I can pass all that along to the next generation of workers then there is no question that the program and employees will both be better off for it. If efficiency and effectiveness is what your goal is, that's how it should work.

Starting from scratch is not efficient, not effective, and simply reinventing the wheel when its not necessary.

But, continue on with your nonsense, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Forkyfinder]

It’s pretty amazing for all of you to think that your experience is so golden and that the world will end if all of the experience is gone.

Short sided, arrogant or ??? I don’t know but if you would just step back, take a breath and realize the world will be ok and yes, everyone is replaceable.

I get that “cause and effect” are always at play but give me a break on the sob story of lost experience and tenure! You started at zero experience at some point and others will start at zero experience too.

Anything above zero compounds with time.

Suppose a restraunt lost their long time cooks. A refinery losing all of its senior operating staff. A marketing company losing leadership that built customer relationships.

Its not hard to imagine why this is a problem. Imagine a managing a long term grazing lease with a difficult land owner or managing permitting with oil/gas leasing. That kind of relationships and institutional knowledge are obviously valuable for managing profitable private enterprise and public land.

 

[Treeshark]

Some institutional knowledge is very valuable, and it would be a shame to lose that.

Other types of institutional knowledge (like advanced work avoidance techniques, for instance) are best being pulled out of the system like a weed.

It’s had to hear about people losing their jobs, but it’s hard to argue that some of these agencies couldn’t benefit from a good housecleaning.

In your cook example @Forkyfinder- if the cook got a taxpayer-funded pension, 8 weeks of PTO and did minimal actual cooking in any given week, it’s might be ok to look for an alternative.

 

[BuzzH]

Some institutional knowledge is very valuable, and it would be a shame to lose that.

Other types of institutional knowledge (like advanced work avoidance techniques, for instance) are best being pulled out of the system like a weed.

It’s had to hear about people losing their jobs, but it’s hard to argue that some of these agencies couldn’t benefit from a good housecleaning.

Don't disagree, but the problem with how this rolled out is that there was ZERO thought put into any of it. From the get go it was a cluster-shag when you're canning probationary period employees for "lack of performance" when you handed them cash awards for their excellent performance a couple months prior.

These dumb bastards took 5 gallons of roundup to their entire front lawns to kill 3 dandelions.

 

[Treeshark]

From the get go it was a cluster-shag when you're canning probationary period employees for "lack of performance" when you handed them cash awards for their excellent performance a couple months prior.

I suspect Doge bros knew the union would not protect the probationary employees.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Some institutional knowledge is very valuable, and it would be a shame to lose that.

Other types of institutional knowledge (like advanced work avoidance techniques, for instance) are best being pulled out of the system like a weed.

It’s had to hear about people losing their jobs, but it’s hard to argue that some of these agencies couldn’t benefit from a good housecleaning.

In your cook example @Forkyfinder- if the cook got a pension, 8 weeks of PTO and did minimal actual cooking in any given week, it’s might be ok to look for an alternative.

@Treeshark the idea of cleaning house is fine. Burning the house down to clean it doesnt really work though.

A bit like burning public land down cause you are mad states manage wildlife, maybe .

 

[BuzzH]

I suspect Doge bros knew the union would not protect the probationary employees.

Big miscalculation on their part...our probationary employees are back thanks to the lawsuits we filed.

Maybe if the dogeshit bros had a little more institutional knowledge and better mentors they wouldn't have made such a serious blunder.

 

[BuzzH]

@Treeshark the idea of cleaning house is fine. Burning the house down to clean it doesnt really work though.

A bit like burning public land down cause you are mad states manage wildlife, maybe .

Totally agree.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Don't disagree, but the problem with how this rolled out is that there was ZERO thought put into any of it. From the get go it was a cluster-shag when you're canning probationary period employees for "lack of performance" when you handed them cash awards for their excellent performance a couple months prior.

These dumb bastards took 5 gallons of roundup to their entire front lawns to kill 3 dandelions.

In a word…..conjecture.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Big miscalculation on their part...our probationary employees are back thanks to the lawsuits we filed.

Maybe if the dogeshit bros had a little more institutional knowledge and better mentors they wouldn't have made such a serious blunder.

Again….conjecture.

 

[BuzzH]

In a word…..conjecture.

Fact. But thanks for guessing...as per always doing your "best".

 

[BuzzH]

Again….conjecture.

Pretty major F-up on their part for "conjecture".

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Suppose a restraunt lost their long time cooks. A refinery losing all of its senior operating staff. A marketing company losing leadership that built customer relationships.

Its not hard to imagine why this is a problem. Imagine a managing a long term grazing lease with a difficult land owner or managing permitting with oil/gas leasing. That kind of relationships and institutional knowledge are obviously valuable for managing profitable private enterprise and public land.

Suppose?? It does happen everyday somewhere with things and jobs that matter. Take the glasses off… the sun is still shining.

On a more humble and sincere note:

I really don’t want other people to suffer or be displaced and loose their livelihood. It sucks and can have a lot of long term stress and consequences that cannot be reversed! My heart does go out to anyone who has that gut wrench feeling that they might loose their livelihood at any moment. For that… I am so, so sorry!

Ironically, I can speak from experience. Recently after over 3 decades of working for the same company, I was RIF’d.

So please know my note above comes from the sincerest, most humble place in my heart!

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Pretty major F-up on their part for "

Fact. But thanks for guessing...as per always doing your "best".

Buzzy, Buzzy….I really hope some day you will understand attacking others just doesn’t work.

Sincerely, please stop attacking. It just doesn’t look good on you.

 

[Cap’n Crunch]

Mushrooms do what mushrooms do….stay in the dark!