Land management agency impact stories...
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I took the VERA/DRP last week. I planned to knock out one more grouse survey, but “they” then decided I wasn’t allowed to work on Friday. Cool, whatever. I stopped into the office on Friday to surrender my PIV Card and watch it be shredded.Get your resumes ready y'all. Nope, not a typo.
Fast forward to an hour ago while setting up my blind for a grouse photo shoot in the morning. I get a text that even though govt shredded my credentials and paid me to leave, I must turn in a resume by Tuesday.
Some real pros at DOI.
BuzzH
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Once upon a time I would have said, "unbelievable"...these days, sounds about right.I took the VERA/DRP last week. I planned to knock out one more grouse survey, but “they” then decided I wasn’t allowed to work on Friday. Cool, whatever. I stopped into the office on Friday to surrender my PIV Card and watch it be shredded.
Fast forward to an hour ago while setting up my blind for a grouse photo shoot in the morning. I get a text that even though govt shredded my credentials and paid me to leave, I must turn in a resume by Tuesday.
Some real pros at DOI.
I'd hand them a resume they wouldn't forget.
El Jason
Well-known member
Make it yuuge…
Hunting Wife
Well-known member
First- congrats. Wish I could do the same.I took the VERA/DRP last week. I planned to knock out one more grouse survey, but “they” then decided I wasn’t allowed to work on Friday. Cool, whatever. I stopped into the office on Friday to surrender my PIV Card and watch it be shredded.
Fast forward to an hour ago while setting up my blind for a grouse photo shoot in the morning. I get a text that even though govt shredded my credentials and paid me to leave, I must turn in a resume by Tuesday.
Some real pros at DOI.
Second- I hope you took the opportunity to send a resume they’ll never forget
Cap’n Crunch
Well-known member
Question summarization #1-
I have been watching this thread moan and groan its way to 12 pages and I honestly expected it to last 7 maybe 10 pages at most but never-the-less here we are 
. It was getting hard to follow so I decided to ask Grok 3 the following:
Summarize the thread on Hunt talk called “land management agency impact stories”
Here is what it said:
The “Land Management Agency Impact Stories” thread on Hunt Talk, started around February 2025, focuses on collecting personal stories and impacts from recent layoffs and policy changes affecting U.S. land management agencies like the U.S. Forest Service (USFS), National Park Service (NPS), and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) under the Trump administration’s push for government efficiency, led by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Below is a summary of the key points, themes, and stories shared in the thread, based on the available information:
Key Themes
1. Mass Layoffs and Workforce Reductions:
• The thread highlights significant layoffs, including 3,400 USFS employees and 2,000 probationary workers, with concerns about further cuts.
• Layoffs are part of a broader initiative to reduce federal spending, but critics argue they threaten public land management, wildfire response, and agency operations.
• Some users note that agencies are now requiring employees to justify their roles, signaling ongoing scrutiny and potential additional cuts.
2. Impact on Public Lands and Services:
• Former employees and users express alarm that reduced staffing could lead to mismanagement, trail closures, and diminished wildfire response capabilities.
• Specific concerns include the loss of cross-trained staff (e.g., trail or timber crews) who support firefighting efforts, despite agency claims that operational firefighters were spared.
• One user mentioned closed USFS campgrounds during hunting season, possibly due to staffing shortages or contractor restrictions.
3. Personal Stories:
• A retired federal employee shared that their vacated position, one of only 10 nationwide, won’t be filled, and a probationary colleague received a termination letter. They described the job as highly coveted but argued the program’s elimination made business sense, as its benefits didn’t justify costs.
• Kaylee Fritchen, a USFS worker since 2022, was highlighted for her trail-clearing work in Idaho, illustrating the labor-intensive roles affected.
• Jack Carroll, terminated from Flathead National Forest, was cited for his emotional reflection on six summers of service, underscoring the personal toll of layoffs.
• Bobby Oshaben, a former forestry technician, called the cuts reckless, emphasizing the loss of timber presale crews critical for forest management.
4. Debate Over Efficiency vs. Consequences:
• Some users argue the cuts are necessary due to decades of government overspending, comparing it to painful but needed fiscal discipline. They believe agencies can adapt with better leadership, citing the Coast Guard’s success after a 40% workforce reduction.
• Others counter that the cuts are shortsighted, risking long-term damage to public lands and potentially aligning with a strategy to defund agencies, making them appear inefficient to justify privatization or state transfer.
• The thread references a 2015 study by the Property and Environment Research Center, claiming state-managed lands generate $14.51 per dollar spent versus 73 cents for federal lands, fueling arguments for state control.
5. Concerns About Privatization:
• Users fear the layoffs and underfunding are part of a long-term “American Lands Privatization” strategy to make federal lands a liability, paving the way for state transfer or privatization. This is linked to Project 2025’s public land chapter and historical tactics to defund agencies.
• There’s worry that reduced management capacity could lead to land sales or restricted access, with one user noting the potential loss of recreational shooting opportunities if lands are transferred.
6. Call for Relevant Stories:
• The thread’s initiator, referred to as “Buzz,” emphasizes keeping posts focused on impact stories, discouraging off-topic debates about fiscal policy or unrelated issues like the Keystone Pipeline.
• Users are encouraged to share firsthand accounts or news articles about affected employees and land management challenges, with links to sources like The Guardian and Fox News.
Notable Points of Contention
• Firefighting Capacity: A major debate centers on whether layoffs affect wildfire response. Agencies claim no operational firefighters were cut, but users argue that support staff (e.g., trail crews, office staff) often assist in firefighting, and their loss could weaken efforts.
• Misinformation and Hyperbole: Some users criticize news articles for exaggerated claims, like suggesting firefighting is at risk when direct firefighting roles weren’t cut, urging factual reporting.
• Volunteer and Contractor Roles: Suggestions that volunteers or third-party contractors could fill gaps (e.g., trail maintenance) are met with skepticism, as federal oversight is seen as critical, and privatization could limit access.
Broader Context
• The thread reflects broader anxiety about the future of public lands, with users citing articles warning of crises in national parks and forests due to staffing shortages.
• Some optimism exists, with the Trump administration restoring 50 NPS jobs and hiring 3,000 seasonal workers after public outcry, though this is seen as a small reversal.
• The discussion ties into historical advocacy for public lands, with references to Hunt Talk’s role in making public land advocacy “cool” and mobilizing support.
Conclusion:
The “Land Management Agency Impact Stories” thread on Hunt Talk is a mix of personal accounts, news references, and debates about the consequences of federal layoffs in land management agencies. It captures the tension between fiscal efficiency and the risk of undermining public land stewardship, with users deeply concerned about wildfire response, trail maintenance, and potential privatization. The thread serves as a call to document real impacts while navigating polarized views on government spending and land management priorities. For the latest developments, users are directed to continue sharing stories and checking sources like The Guardian or Fox News.
Note: The summary is based on partial excerpts from Hunt Talk and related sources, which may not capture the full thread. Some details, like exact post counts or all user perspectives, may be incomplete due to limited access to the entire discussion.
I have been watching this thread moan and groan its way to 12 pages and
I honestly expected it to last 7 maybe 10 pages at most but never-the-less here we are . It was getting hard to follow so I decided to ask Grok 3 the following:Summarize the thread on Hunt talk called “land management agency impact stories”
Here is what it said:
The “Land Management Agency Impact Stories” thread on Hunt Talk, started around February 2025, focuses on collecting personal stories and impacts from recent layoffs and policy changes affecting U.S. land management agencies like the U.S. Forest Service (USFS), National Park Service (NPS), and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) under the Trump administration’s push for government efficiency, led by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Below is a summary of the key points, themes, and stories shared in the thread, based on the available information:
Key Themes
1. Mass Layoffs and Workforce Reductions:
• The thread highlights significant layoffs, including 3,400 USFS employees and 2,000 probationary workers, with concerns about further cuts.
• Layoffs are part of a broader initiative to reduce federal spending, but critics argue they threaten public land management, wildfire response, and agency operations.
• Some users note that agencies are now requiring employees to justify their roles, signaling ongoing scrutiny and potential additional cuts.
2. Impact on Public Lands and Services:
• Former employees and users express alarm that reduced staffing could lead to mismanagement, trail closures, and diminished wildfire response capabilities.
• Specific concerns include the loss of cross-trained staff (e.g., trail or timber crews) who support firefighting efforts, despite agency claims that operational firefighters were spared.
• One user mentioned closed USFS campgrounds during hunting season, possibly due to staffing shortages or contractor restrictions.
3. Personal Stories:
• A retired federal employee shared that their vacated position, one of only 10 nationwide, won’t be filled, and a probationary colleague received a termination letter. They described the job as highly coveted but argued the program’s elimination made business sense, as its benefits didn’t justify costs.
• Kaylee Fritchen, a USFS worker since 2022, was highlighted for her trail-clearing work in Idaho, illustrating the labor-intensive roles affected.
• Jack Carroll, terminated from Flathead National Forest, was cited for his emotional reflection on six summers of service, underscoring the personal toll of layoffs.
• Bobby Oshaben, a former forestry technician, called the cuts reckless, emphasizing the loss of timber presale crews critical for forest management.
4. Debate Over Efficiency vs. Consequences:
• Some users argue the cuts are necessary due to decades of government overspending, comparing it to painful but needed fiscal discipline. They believe agencies can adapt with better leadership, citing the Coast Guard’s success after a 40% workforce reduction.
• Others counter that the cuts are shortsighted, risking long-term damage to public lands and potentially aligning with a strategy to defund agencies, making them appear inefficient to justify privatization or state transfer.
• The thread references a 2015 study by the Property and Environment Research Center, claiming state-managed lands generate $14.51 per dollar spent versus 73 cents for federal lands, fueling arguments for state control.
5. Concerns About Privatization:
• Users fear the layoffs and underfunding are part of a long-term “American Lands Privatization” strategy to make federal lands a liability, paving the way for state transfer or privatization. This is linked to Project 2025’s public land chapter and historical tactics to defund agencies.
• There’s worry that reduced management capacity could lead to land sales or restricted access, with one user noting the potential loss of recreational shooting opportunities if lands are transferred.
6. Call for Relevant Stories:
• The thread’s initiator, referred to as “Buzz,” emphasizes keeping posts focused on impact stories, discouraging off-topic debates about fiscal policy or unrelated issues like the Keystone Pipeline.
• Users are encouraged to share firsthand accounts or news articles about affected employees and land management challenges, with links to sources like The Guardian and Fox News.
Notable Points of Contention
• Firefighting Capacity: A major debate centers on whether layoffs affect wildfire response. Agencies claim no operational firefighters were cut, but users argue that support staff (e.g., trail crews, office staff) often assist in firefighting, and their loss could weaken efforts.
• Misinformation and Hyperbole: Some users criticize news articles for exaggerated claims, like suggesting firefighting is at risk when direct firefighting roles weren’t cut, urging factual reporting.
• Volunteer and Contractor Roles: Suggestions that volunteers or third-party contractors could fill gaps (e.g., trail maintenance) are met with skepticism, as federal oversight is seen as critical, and privatization could limit access.
Broader Context
• The thread reflects broader anxiety about the future of public lands, with users citing articles warning of crises in national parks and forests due to staffing shortages.
• Some optimism exists, with the Trump administration restoring 50 NPS jobs and hiring 3,000 seasonal workers after public outcry, though this is seen as a small reversal.
• The discussion ties into historical advocacy for public lands, with references to Hunt Talk’s role in making public land advocacy “cool” and mobilizing support.
Conclusion:
The “Land Management Agency Impact Stories” thread on Hunt Talk is a mix of personal accounts, news references, and debates about the consequences of federal layoffs in land management agencies. It captures the tension between fiscal efficiency and the risk of undermining public land stewardship, with users deeply concerned about wildfire response, trail maintenance, and potential privatization. The thread serves as a call to document real impacts while navigating polarized views on government spending and land management priorities. For the latest developments, users are directed to continue sharing stories and checking sources like The Guardian or Fox News.
Note: The summary is based on partial excerpts from Hunt Talk and related sources, which may not capture the full thread. Some details, like exact post counts or all user perspectives, may be incomplete due to limited access to the entire discussion.
