Illegal Thermal Use

[bigsky2]

Yah, they gotta find a way to get ahead of this BS. I've had a couple run-ins with clowns using thermals and drones right in the middle of archery season and acting like there's nothing wrong with it.

One guy I met at a trailhead walking back in the dark and he was all geared up to hit the ridgetop a couple miles in and scan for elk with his $3k thermal. After talking a bit, it was pretty apparent all he cared about was what he was gonna put on the Gram that hunting season. The other guy was parked at the same spot I was going to walk in from and scout the night before opener, except instead of walking all the way in, he was 100 yards over the hill watching the video of his drone footage looking down into the creek bottoms. Some guys just don't give a shit, but if at least if there's laws on the books we can call TIP MONT and give them a description or license plate number, at the very least. Gotta do something before it's too far gone.

There’s a hearing coming up on SB 63 in a week or so. You should testify and tell the committee about your experiences. The bill falls way short of what needs to happen in my opinion but it’s at least a slight improvement over what we have currently. Here’s a link to the bill draft.

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[trackerbacker]

If a person doesn't think that thermals are an EXTREME advantage while both scouting and hunting big game animals, they need a mental health check.

If a person doesn't think that crossbows offer an EXTREME advantage while archery hunting big game animals, they need a mental health check.

Well...

I mean...

Any modern weapon seems like an extreme advantage compared to 100 years ago. Surely 1000 years ago...and surely seems like an extreme advantage against an animal that historically, statistically, has been killed by sticks and stones, to be fair.

But modern glass is an extreme advantage to iron sights. As are rangefinders. E scouting. It all offers "extreme advantage".

Where is your line for "extreme advantage"? Ironsight to Swarovski is bugle tube to thermal is spearchucking to 28 nosler.

×Ahh it's a fun toy, it could increase Hunter efficacy and must be bad even though some biologist or state actor decide x amount of animal are cool to die but they don't get to die by recurve and moccasins and some made up small metric uses them in ⅒ poaching cases therefore bad! Ahh×

Going to have to get a crossbow and see if the therms or NV fit on em...should net me 200% success rates.

Or X-ray! Then I can shoot females carrying young. Like a real twofer!

:insertheadshakeemoji:

 

[ismith]

Well...

I mean...

Any modern weapon seems like an extreme advantage compared to 100 years ago. Surely 1000 years ago...and surely seems like an extreme advantage against an animal that historically, statistically, has been killed by sticks and stones, to be fair.

But modern glass is an extreme advantage to iron sights. As are rangefinders. E scouting. It all offers "extreme advantage".

Where is your line for "extreme advantage"? Ironsight to Swarovski is bugle tube to thermal is spearchucking to 28 nosler.

×Ahh it's a fun toy, it could increase Hunter efficacy and must be bad even though some biologist or state actor decide x amount of animal are cool to die but they don't get to die by recurve and moccasins and some made up small metric uses them in ⅒ poaching cases therefore bad! Ahh×

Going to have to get a crossbow and see if the therms or NV fit on em...should net me 200% success rates.

Or X-ray! Then I can shoot females carrying young. Like a real twofer!

:insertheadshakeemoji:

Calling you a mid-wit would be an insult to mid-wits.

 

[Sioux33]

There’s a hearing coming up on SB 63 in a week or so. You should testify and tell the committee about your experiences. The bill falls way short of what needs to happen in my opinion but it’s at least a slight improvement over what we have currently. Here’s a link to the bill draft.

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Thank you, I'll look into it and hopefully my schedule allows. At the very least I'll be calling and submitting comments.

 

[Undomesticated]

Well...

I mean...

Any modern weapon seems like an extreme advantage compared to 100 years ago. Surely 1000 years ago...and surely seems like an extreme advantage against an animal that historically, statistically, has been killed by sticks and stones, to be fair.

But modern glass is an extreme advantage to iron sights. As are rangefinders. E scouting. It all offers "extreme advantage".

Where is your line for "extreme advantage"? Ironsight to Swarovski is bugle tube to thermal is spearchucking to 28 nosler.

×Ahh it's a fun toy, it could increase Hunter efficacy and must be bad even though some biologist or state actor decide x amount of animal are cool to die but they don't get to die by recurve and moccasins and some made up small metric uses them in ⅒ poaching cases therefore bad! Ahh×

Going to have to get a crossbow and see if the therms or NV fit on em...should net me 200% success rates.

Or X-ray! Then I can shoot females carrying young. Like a real twofer!

:insertheadshakeemoji:

Imposing limits is somewhat arbitrary, but necessary to preserve hunting. We collectively decide what those limits are via our State agencies.

I am having a hard time figuring out what your argument is, if you have one. Are you seriously saying there should be NO technological limits?

 

[Tyger]

Curious if this is as much of an issue in other states?

https://www.koin.com/news/crime/oregon-state-police-arrest-hunters-for-allegedly-using-thermal-imaging-for-poaching/

I haven't read anything to that affect here in Louisiana. We use them to night hunt hogs. Same with the supressors.

 

[trackerbacker]

Imposing limits is somewhat arbitrary, but necessary to preserve hunting.

We don't preserve. We aren't BHA pretending to be outdoorsman. We aren't liberals out preserving oil sands

We use. We Conserve. Preserve is what opponents wants, because it cuts usage, harvest. Conserve is the wise use.

We collectively decide what those limits are via our State agencies.

I am having a hard time figuring out what your argument is, if you have one. Are you seriously saying there should be NO technological limits?

Correct. Why should there be, what does a thermal do inherently better than rangefinder, than digiscoping, than good glass and a tripod, than a bugle tube, than boots on the ground in terms of magically summoning an animal?

BigFin would be out tons of partners and sponsors, don't y'all want influencers cancelled? It'll help!

Ok. Doing something arbitrary, is grounding both kids instead of the brother who punched his sister.

Heres what's pathetic, mainly of people in support of bans, is they're little people. Not height wise. But emotional, mentally, intellectually.

Thermal, NV, NL Pures, onX, Gaia, 7prc, rds duck down certified 850+ booties, fly in, boat out, ollin riddled vortex's (which I'm thoroughly confused how anyone finds ollin better or quicker than magview aside from forum sponsorship and nutbuddies)..all those are "extreme advantage" like duckduckgoose postulates.

Thermals, to locate, or optically shoot from, I'm not bothered by. That creates no more extreme advantage than having enough money to buy a auction tag, fly in, use onX, grab a 33 nosler AI with a carbon barrel topped with KF.

As the owner of therms, NVs and regular luddite glass.

Hint-it puts you in the field, doesn't guarantee you a kill. Work still needs to be put in.

Anything, modern day, is an extreme advantage, compared to the hunted species historical background. Drop your holier than thou bullshit. You don't like it, or you can't afford it. Most that have therms or NV haven't considered even poaching a barn swallow.

"Extreme advantage".......can't wait for the petulant response. "Welp you know what I meant", "welp what I mean"....duck.....duck...........

......goose. where's your line duckman?

Should outlaw boats for hunting ducks....unfair advantage....Almost EXTREME UNFAIR advantage, like super duper califragilistic extreme advantage @Mallardsx2

Joke. Whiney group here. "....not fair...."

Get better?

If it's an extreme advantage, and you don't want it, don't buy one, don't use one. Seems simple.

Dogs, be it treeing or tracking seem to give an EXTREME ADVANTAGE @Mallardsx2, no more dogs for bird hunting, cat or coon hunting, tracking, treeing. Nada. They've got olfactory vision. Stronger than hoomens. OuTLawEd!!111one

 

[Nick87]

 

[trackerbacker]

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Ok, here-

Randy, a social media hunting influencer, puts on a website for users, who hate everything Randy stands for, who hate the sponsors and products and camps and info, but will only use what Randy uses, will criticize any and all social media hunting influencer, except Randy and his site.

Duckduckgoose is mad thermals creat extreme advantage. But is ball-less to draw a line in the sand of what is "extreme advantage

Thermal in performance standards achieve no greater outcome at harvesting game. Notching a tag. If they do, however, provide greater outcome, than as does the rest of anything technologically developed.

As in, if thermals easily located game and loads it up in the bed, Or only helps poachers with that, than Google maps/onx/Gaia/etc all show me exactly where the game beds-travels-eats-shits-drinks is what? Severely advantaged? Preposterously advantaged?

I want to know if DDG is just a silly little goose without his mother, or if he's poor and jealous of those with therms and trying to contrive any issue.

Which, when sticker shock is a factor, you can not factor out jealousy as a driver towards prevention

 

[Nick87]

Ok, here-

Randy, a social media hunting influencer, puts on a website for users, who hate everything Randy stands for, who hate the sponsors and products and camps and info, but will only use what Randy uses, will criticize any and all social media hunting influencer, except Randy and his site.

Duckduckgoose is mad thermals creat extreme advantage. But is ball-less to draw a line in the sand of what is "extreme advantage

Thermal in performance standards achieve no greater outcome at harvesting game. Notching a tag. If they do, however, provide greater outcome, than as does the rest of anything technologically developed.

As in, if thermals easily located game and loads it up in the bed, Or only helps poachers with that, than Google maps/onx/Gaia/etc all show me exactly where the game beds-travels-eats-shits-drinks is what? Severely advantaged? Preposterously advantaged?

I want to know if DDG is just a silly little goose without his mother, or if he's poor and jealous of those with therms and trying to contrive any issue.

Which, when sticker shock is a factor, you can not factor out jealousy as a driver towards prevention

 

[MTTW]

Ok, here-

Randy, a social media hunting influencer, puts on a website for users, who hate everything Randy stands for, who hate the sponsors and products and camps and info, but will only use what Randy uses, will criticize any and all social media hunting influencer, except Randy and his site.

Duckduckgoose is mad thermals creat extreme advantage. But is ball-less to draw a line in the sand of what is "extreme advantage

Thermal in performance standards achieve no greater outcome at harvesting game. Notching a tag. If they do, however, provide greater outcome, than as does the rest of anything technologically developed.

As in, if thermals easily located game and loads it up in the bed, Or only helps poachers with that, than Google maps/onx/Gaia/etc all show me exactly where the game beds-travels-eats-shits-drinks is what? Severely advantaged? Preposterously advantaged?

I want to know if DDG is just a silly little goose without his mother, or if he's poor and jealous of those with therms and trying to contrive any issue.

Which, when sticker shock is a factor, you can not factor out jealousy as a driver towards prevention

So... if I want to hunt big game from an airplane, I should be able to and if anyone protests then they are just jealous, lazy, or a GD liberal.

 

[SaskHunter]

 

[cgasner1]

So... if I want to hunt big game from an airplane, I should be able to and if anyone protests then they are just jealous, lazy, or a GD liberal.

Don’t be hating on me when I roll in with a helicopter you can’t afford

 

[rogerthat]

Hey @trackerbacker do you support night hunting big game? I mean it’s just technology.right? Is there a reason that’s illegal in most states? What is fair chase? Do you support fair chase?

 

[Elktrack]

We don't preserve. We aren't BHA pretending to be outdoorsman. We aren't liberals out preserving oil sands

We use. We Conserve. Preserve is what opponents wants, because it cuts usage, harvest. Conserve is the wise use.

Correct. Why should there be, what does a thermal do inherently better than rangefinder, than digiscoping, than good glass and a tripod, than a bugle tube, than boots on the ground in terms of magically summoning an animal?

BigFin would be out tons of partners and sponsors, don't y'all want influencers cancelled? It'll help!

Ok. Doing something arbitrary, is grounding both kids instead of the brother who punched his sister.

Heres what's pathetic, mainly of people in support of bans, is they're little people. Not height wise. But emotional, mentally, intellectually.

Thermal, NV, NL Pures, onX, Gaia, 7prc, rds duck down certified 850+ booties, fly in, boat out, ollin riddled vortex's (which I'm thoroughly confused how anyone finds ollin better or quicker than magview aside from forum sponsorship and nutbuddies)..all those are "extreme advantage" like duckduckgoose postulates.

Thermals, to locate, or optically shoot from, I'm not bothered by. That creates no more extreme advantage than having enough money to buy a auction tag, fly in, use onX, grab a 33 nosler AI with a carbon barrel topped with KF.

As the owner of therms, NVs and regular luddite glass.

Hint-it puts you in the field, doesn't guarantee you a kill. Work still needs to be put in.

Anything, modern day, is an extreme advantage, compared to the hunted species historical background. Drop your holier than thou bullshit. You don't like it, or you can't afford it. Most that have therms or NV haven't considered even poaching a barn swallow.

"Extreme advantage".......can't wait for the petulant response. "Welp you know what I meant", "welp what I mean"....duck.....duck...........

......goose. where's your line duckman?

Should outlaw boats for hunting ducks....unfair advantage....Almost EXTREME UNFAIR advantage, like super duper califragilistic extreme advantage @Mallardsx2

Joke. Whiney group here. "....not fair...."

Get better?

If it's an extreme advantage, and you don't want it, don't buy one, don't use one. Seems simple.

Dogs, be it treeing or tracking seem to give an EXTREME ADVANTAGE @Mallardsx2, no more dogs for bird hunting, cat or coon hunting, tracking, treeing. Nada. They've got olfactory vision. Stronger than hoomens. OuTLawEd!!111one

Hey! Wait a minute.
I recognize this language. I’m not fluent in it but I can pick up a few words here and there.
Would you by chance be related to ShedGod??
You’re not going to ask to be kicked out are you?