Grizzly Moving Towards Delisting in Yellowstone Region

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Wyoming grizzly bear plan to be fine-tuned
By ROBERT W. BLACK Associated Press




CASPER, Wyo. n The Wyoming Game and Fish Commission voted last week to revise the state's grizzly bear management plan to establish a population goal and clarify that grizzlies will be discouraged from inhabiting areas with significant human populations.

The commission's unanimous vote came after staff assurances that the proposed changes were offered after consultation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which holds jurisdiction over the estimated 600 grizzly bears in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, most of which are in Wyoming.

The service is proposing removal of federal protection for Yellowstone-area grizzlies and turning management over to wildlife officials in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Barring lawsuits, that plan could come to fruition by the end of the year.


But first, the federal agency must OK any changes to Wyoming's plan, which was initially approved in 2002.

The vote also directed the Game and Fish Department to establish mortality limits for grizzlies and better educate the public on ways to minimize human-bear conflicts. In addition, a proposed three-zone recovery area will be condensed into two zones to reduce confusion and streamline management.

Final wording of the revised plan will be reviewed at the commission's July meeting.

While several members of the audience spoke against the changes, the consensus among commissioners was that the recommendations addressed the bulk of the public's concerns while keeping efforts to delist grizzlies moving forward.

If the state is allowed to manage grizzlies, the hope by state wildlife managers is that hunting seasons can eventually be employed to control the population.

"We need to be able to harvest that bear," Commissioner Jerry Galles, of Casper, said. "We need to be able to control where it goes. We can't do that today."

Commissioner Clark Allan of Jackson expressed reservations about allowing grizzlies in the northern Wind River Mountains, as the recommendations propose, but said it would be worse to slow delisting.

Commissioner Kerry Powers of Lusk said he hoped the recommendations could be altered to discourage grizzlies not only from the northern Wind River Range but also the Gros Ventre Mountains.

But John Emmerich, assistant chief of the Game and Fish Wildlife Division, cautioned against amending the proposal.

"We've been talking to the Fish and Wildlife Service to see how far we can go," Emmerich said. Above all else, the state's plan must show it can maintain a viable population in the Yellowstone area, he said.

"If we can do that, the bears will be delisted," he said.

During public comment, opinions were split.

Sheridan's Steve Thomas, representing the Sierra Club, urged the board to adopt the proposals as a way to keep grizzlies protected.

"Wildlife generates a hell of a lot of money for this state, and not just from hunting but from wildlife viewing," he said.

Frederick Smith of the Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance urged commissioners to expand grizzly bear occupancy to include the southern Wind River Range, along with the Wyoming and Salt River ranges.

Not doing so, he said, "is excluding them from a lot of really great habitat."

But Jim Allen, a Lander dude ranch operator, said the Wind Rivers should be kept free of grizzlies. Otherwise, the 50,000 to 90,000 people who visit the mountains every year will be in greater danger of attacks, he said.

"The Winds are for people, not grizzly bears," he said.

David Vaughan, of Lander, said he and numerous others had given up hunting in the area because of the expanding grizzly population.

"You haven't lived until you've met a kid who's been mauled," he said.

Shawn Regnerus, of Bozeman, told commissioners, "Bear conflicts are real, but in reality, I think they're overblown."

Game and Fish Director Terry Cleveland urged adoption of the recommendations and said the agency had done a good job of working to ensure recovery of the grizzly bear population while addressing citizens' concerns.

If the grizzly is not delisted, the population may increase and expand to more areas, which he said may make it even more difficult to manage.

"I think we do try to manage wildlife while taking into consideration the needs of the public," he said.
 
I wonder which will win?

politics and political correctness

or sound management???
 
I didn't think you knew why, but was just checking to see if by some miracle, you had a clue as to why they should be de-listed. Thanks for confirming my hunch.
 
Gunner,

The grizzly population has recovered to the point that a limited hunt could take place if they are delisted. Would you rather have hunters manage grizzlies or federal hitmen? I prefer hunters manage the population, and would be first in line to apply for a tag if Wyoming and or Montana openned up a hunt.

Another plus would be that the enviro kooks would lose another arrow from their quiver.
 
"Was that the goal"? To get the population to a level to hunt?"

As far as I'm concerned it is. Maybe for guy's like you, the excess can go to petting zoos and bear sanctuaries. If I'm wrong, please tell me what your "goal" for grizzlies is. Another tool for dam breaching?

Best thing about grizzlies moving towards delisting is that the usual suspects will try to stop it. It's going to put a serious drain on their war chest, and even then, after many a dollar spent, they will still lose. And after that, there will be little fight left in them to stop wolf delisting. Doughfenders of Wildlife and Preditor Anti-hunting Alliance, to name a few will be the next to be placed on the endangered list.
 
Jose'-that should have been the goal. It will generate funding for game management and keep areas where the bears are too close for human safety within check. I suspect that the more hard core hugger groups will stick to their dreamy thoughts about the noble grizzly reigning free along their hiking trails similar to what they did with the mighty mountain lion in California and Oregon. Just hope they are eaten first.
 
Ringer,
Wouldn't it be better to have Grizzlies roaming the forests and keeping the encroachment of development out of prime habitat areas? Maybe if a few yuppie starter castles like Paul's had their residents ate, we wouldn't have quite the problems in Wyoming we have.
 
I am all for a few yuppies and huggers getting eaten but I still want to hunt wolves and griz in the lower 48. Also I met a guy in Alaska who was mauled and survived and I wouldn't want some boy scout to face that.
 
Gunner,

Bitch to Thomas Jefferson, Lewis, and Clark. Todays paper had Choteau, MT schools in lock down because a couple grizzlies were roaming the streets. If your kid was mauled by a bear, you'ld probably be singing a different song. BTW if a bear comes to my starter castle looking for dinner, he's going to end up being a rug in the living room.
 
Hey Ringer,
If you want to protect Boy Scouts, you should keep them away from Republican Politicians. Republicans are far greater dangers to Boy Scouts than Grizzly Bears.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/09/AR2005050900099.html
 
http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/htm/glossary.htm

Josecuervo, you sound like the poster boy for the wildlands project.

"Ringer,
Wouldn't it be better to have Grizzlies roaming the forests and keeping the encroachment of development out of prime habitat areas? Maybe if a few yuppie starter castles like Paul's had their residents ate, we wouldn't have quite the problems in Wyoming we have."


[size=-1]"The only hope of the Earth is to withdraw huge areas as inviolate natural sanctuaries from the depredations of modern industry and technology. Move out the people and cars. Reclaim the roads and the plowed lands."[/size]

[size=-1]--Dave Foreman,​
Confessions of an Eco-Warrior[/size]




[size=-1]"Public lands are the foundation of most core reserves, and they are designed to be very large. It is safe to say, anywhere there is large block of public forest land, there is or will be a Wildlands project to preserve it. Looking at the characteristics of core reserves, one begins to understand the conflicts surrounding public land management today such as logging and road construction. However, it does not end there; human access is severely restricted under the Wildlands Project.[/size]


[size=-1]Dr. Noss himself has said, "Many ecologist (myself included) would just as soon see huge areas of land kept off limits to human activities of any kind." (Noss, R. 1995. Maintaining Ecological Integrity in Representative Reserve Networks. World Wildlife Fund Canada Discussion Paper. p. 12.)"[/size]




[size=-1]It all goes hand and hand with your backing of Jon Marvel's WWP and the other greenie treehugger groups you stand up for. [/size]
[size=-1]Not to mention your dislike of anything that mentions multipal use .[/size]
[size=-1]It's apparent by your post that you are more inline with org. that do not support hunting.[/size]
[size=-1]Are you related to Elkgunner by any chance?[/size]
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American Wildlands Predator Project
Road-RIP
Southern Environmental Law Center
The Wildlands Project
Alliance for the Wild Rockies
Southern Appalachian Forest Coalition
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[size=-1]The Turner Foundation, endowed by media mogul Ted Turner, aspires to be the largest underwriter of environmental causes in the country. The do not publish how much they give, but they are probably the largest sponsor of the Wildlands Project and its affiliates.[/size]
 
Buffer Zones:

"A system of core reserves is necessary but not sufficient to maintain biodiversity. In most regions, strictly protected areas will not occupy enough land, in the short term, to meet... conservation goals..." "In many cases private lands will need to be acquired and added to National Forest and other public lands in order to serve as effective buffers."


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Characteristics of Buffer Zones:

Inner Zones:
Low road density (no more than .5 mi/sq.mi., and low intensity use
Non-consumptive recreation (hiking, cross-country skiing, bird watching)
Primitive camping
Wilderness


Outer Zones:
Road density 1 mi./sq.mi.
Heavier recreational use (no off-road vehicles)
Hunting and fishing


Let hope we get the grizzle delisted so they can be hunted,and hope that it puts a crimp in the plan's of these anti-access pro-wilderness group's .
 
MD,

So you support the Republican Politicians and their behaviour toward the Boy Scouts??? You actually think Grizzlies are a bigger concern?

Unbelievable!!!
 
Wouldn't it be better to have Grizzlies roaming the forests and keeping the encroachment of development out of prime habitat areas? Maybe if a few yuppie starter castles like Paul's had their residents ate, we wouldn't have quite the problems in Wyoming we have.

now I know it isn't guner/sybil posting this, he doesn't make the grammar mistakes to this extent and when was it that Wyoming was a "We" place for him/her???

Unless we will be having another personality oozing out on the board to meet :)

So you support the Republican Politicians and their behaviour toward the Boy Scouts??? You actually think Grizzlies are a bigger concern?

What is really funny and quite unbelievable is the fact this is all guner/sybil could come up with when MD4M posted a good piece... He/she didn't come up with fourteen pages of cut and paste empty headed nonsense, only one paragraph of it, now that is "unbelievable"!!! :D

Besides, your slipping on your grammar… ;)

behaviour is behavior ;)
 
I should have guessed that the Cheese would be ok with Republican's deviant/criminal sexual behaviour with young boys....

And you need to learn how to spell correctly, before you even attempt to correct me...
 
MD,

"So you support the Republican Politicians and their behaviour toward the Boy Scouts??? You actually think Grizzlies are a bigger concern?

Unbelievable!!!"


Josecuervo, Your membership to PETA has you confusing humans with animals .
They are not the same.


But to answer your question.
I think both should be shot on site if they are harming kid's.

Any person that would take advantage of or harm childeren has no right to live.
But we all know we have lawyers that will be willing to defend this type of person.

So Jose,here is my question to you.
How much of the wildlands project do you support?

You sure ask alot of question but just like Ithaca you have a fear of answering any.
 
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