Greenhorns poll on Assault weapons

[rhomas]

OK, so considering that 124 of the votes to leave them alone are also some of the same as the 126 votes of people who don't currently own an AR, there are still 17 anti votes on the poll. That's sort of disappointing to me, considering this is a hunting (and by extension should be a pro-gun, in my mind) site.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

The 14 that voted to ban them saying there is no reason to have them is sort of the selfish way that I looked at them and I think that was also what Jim Zumbo felt when he went down the tubes for a while after posting that in his blog. Being a bolt action "oldtimer" it took me a while to see the light, especially after watching the Nuge school him on the fact that they are a lot of fun just to shoot at the range. That convinced me not to try and eliminate any particular weapon just because I dont like it!

 

[BuzzH]

rhomas,

Whats disappointing is that you'd make the comments you just did.

Whether a person is a hunter or not, they are entitled to differing opinions regarding gun control.

Just because a person hunts, doesnt mean they cant be in favor of the AWB, etc. Its not impacting their right to own a firearm for hunting purposes. Some may not even hunt with a firearm at all...ever heard of archery hunting?

Until you get it through your head that hunting and the second are mutually exclusive...you'll remain disappointed and confused...which isnt shocking to anyone.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

BuzzH---Have you not read the stuff that Feinstein has put in the Bill she is going to introduce shortly in the Senate? If you haven't, it includes a number of hunting rifles, including military ones that were purchased by civilians under a very old program that is still in existence and that many people hunt with. That is more than a litttle disconcerting to most of us that hunt, so it's not quite as easy for many to separate that Second Amendment statement you keep making as it would seem to you. I might also add the same few words about you that you ended your post with too. You can never post without having to cut someone down with a derogatory statement and that's a shame with the wealth of information you have to offer on various subjects.

 

[BuzzH]

Topgun,

Who cares what Feinstein wants...thats a fight over the second, not rhomas and his disappointment that hunters have varying degrees of tolerance toward certain kinds of firearms.

Its funny how the second crowd/NRA only want to be involved with hunters when it furthers their agenda...but then throw hunters under the bus by meddling in hunting related issues they have no right to be involved with.

They are mutually exclusive and should be addressed as such. I'm not a lap-dog for the NRA.

Also, rhomas said he's the one thats "disappointed" and posted the "confused" icon...I just stated that its not surprising...which it surely isnt.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

"Who cares what Feinstein wants...thats a fight over the second, not rhomas and his disappointment that hunters have varying degrees of tolerance toward certain kinds of firearms"


Are you kidding me with that statement? You and millions of others with any kind of firearm better care what she and a gaggle of others up in DC want and have wanted for a long time and it's a lot more than the AR and high capacity clips or magazines! Sometimes your posts seem to be made just to agitate in a very similar manner to Jose, rather than to offer constructive criticism or insight on things being discussed!

 

[schmalts]

Another way to look at it is this: Who cares if they ban sheep hunting. I don't care if I ever hunt them and tags are so far and few and expensive. Since I don't care if I ever own a sheep tag, I don't have a problem with them banning them from being hunted.
Real unity huh?
Yes it is just an example but I hope it drives home the point for Buzz.
Rhomas was only stating he is dissapointed by the results.My guess is because he thinks that the statement above about sheep hunting would be dissapointing in the same manner. He said nothing about anyones right to an opinion.

 

[ismith]

Topgun,

Who cares what Feinstein wants...thats a fight over the second

I'm suprised by the tunnel vision and elitist attitude shown by some on this forum. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, target shooting, or whether or not the NRA pisses you off. If you guys honestly think the Brady bunch is going to close up shop after they get "Assault" rifles then you better pull your head out of your third point of contact real quick.

 

[BuzzH]

Wrong...you're stating exactly what I just did...the fight about the second VS. Feinstein should be fought on the merits of the second. Leave hunters the hell out of it. The NRA needs to keep out of the affairs regarding hunting.

How is it an "elitist" attitude to keep hunting and the second exclusive of one another?

The NRA has muddied the waters with their paranoia they are trying to peddle to hunters.

 

[ismith]

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

 

[Topgun 30-06]

BuzzH---Very simple question for you---Have you or haven't you read the list of guns that Feinstein lists in her Bill that will be banned? It appears you haven't to keep making remarks like you are about the NRA and your problem with them straying from the Second Amendment regarding land issues, etc. We are talking about them trying to stop the wholesale banning and/or registration of millions of guns that are in the posession of law abiding citizens, including yourself. Forget your attitude about the NRA getting involved with land issues and stick to what we are discussing and it is a lot more than losing one rifle that you don't own or care about! The NRA is the only organization at the present time that has any chance of stopping the banning and/or registration of a plethora of rifles that guys are using and have used for decades with no problems! If you are using any rifle or shotgun that has a detachable magazine/clip, you had better read her Bill.

 

[BuzzH]

Dude,

Quit drinking the kool-aid...it aint going to happen. Follow the $$$$$. The only way its going to happen is if your beloved (R)'s fold the tent. But, like I already said, it wont happen $$$$$$.

Yes, I've read the list.

The NRA lost its way, and many people arent going to look past their bullchit of getting involved with issues that dont concern the second. Theres a price to be paid when you choose to do stupid chit.

THE NRA made the decision to get in the wildlife/conservation/land etc. issues to ramp up their membership. They over-stepped and must suffer the fallout, their fault....end of story. Hunters didnt ask them to get involved.

Besides that, I was pointing out to a confused and disappointed person why many hunters dont support the NRA...and last I checked, there is no requirement to support them, their gerry-mandering into conservation, or their fear mongering.

Its too bad if you and the NRA dont like it...people in the United States are still free to have an opinion and spend their money on issues that matter to them.

Personally, I support the second and IMO, there shouldnt be any further limitations on the firearms that a sane, non-felon, American Citizen can own. I'm not if favor of Feinsteins & Company with their agenda either. But, that doesnt mean I have to be a slobbering, mouth breathing, Ted Nugent type NRA wing nut.

I'll represent myself...and the NRA can bite me.

 

[ismith]

Dude,

Quit drinking the kool-aid...it aint going to happen. Follow the $$$$$. The only way its going to happen is if your beloved (R)'s fold the tent. But, like I already said, it wont happen $$$$$$.

Yes, I've read the list.

The NRA lost its way, and many people arent going to look past their bullchit of getting involved with issues that dont concern the second. Theres a price to be paid when you choose to do stupid chit.

THE NRA made the decision to get in the wildlife/conservation/land etc. issues to ramp up their membership. They over-stepped and must suffer the fallout, their fault....end of story. Hunters didnt ask them to get involved.

Besides that, I was pointing out to a confused and disappointed person why many hunters dont support the NRA...and last I checked, there is no requirement to support them, their gerry-mandering into conservation, or their fear mongering.

Its too bad if you and the NRA dont like it...people in the United States are still free to have an opinion and spend their money on issues that matter to them.

Buddy,
Its not about the NRA, its about the 2nd. I dont agree with alot of crap the NRA has pulled but I could say that about the RMEF as well. My guess is being a liberal and all you've never sworn an oath to protect the Constitution so you probally wouldn't understand why people have such strong feelings about protecting it. For the record, Im neither a (R) nor a (D), and would like to know how you got appointed by hunters to be their spokesperson. Your are right about still being free in the United States though, which is why the NRA and I can respectfully suggest that you pound sand.

 

[BuzzH]

Must have missed this part, I'll repost for you.

Personally, I support the second and IMO, there shouldnt be any further limitations on the firearms that a sane, non-felon, American Citizen can own. I'm not if favor of Feinsteins & Company with their agenda either. But, that doesnt mean I have to be a slobbering, mouth breathing, Ted Nugent type NRA wing nut.

I'll represent myself...and the NRA can bite me.

 

[ismith]

Must have missed this part, I'll repost for you.

Personally, I support the second and IMO, there shouldnt be any further limitations on the firearms that a sane, non-felon, American Citizen can own. I'm not if favor of Feinsteins & Company with their agenda either. But, that doesnt mean I have to be a slobbering, mouth breathing, Ted Nugent type NRA wing nut.

I'll represent myself...and the NRA can bite me.

I didnt miss that, you edited your post. The NRA, my beloved (R)'s and I are very happy that you support the 2nd.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

"But, that doesnt mean I have to be a slobbering, mouth breathing, Ted Nugent type NRA wing nut.
I'll represent myself...and the NRA can bite me."

No sense getting in a pizzing contest with him ismith! That's just the way he works and now he appears to be lumping more than 4 million NRA members together that believe in supporting the 2nd Amendment to the death when he made the quote above.. That seems to be very common every time he makes a post on anything and maybe he should just represent himself with all the BS he spouts to denigrate anyone that has a little bit different opinion of anything being discussed. I'm also neither an R or a D, but tell that to the guy who seems to think he knows everything and then calls any who disagree with him an R. Incidentally, I believe since this shooting and the resultant clammer for more gun control, the NRA has been gaining new members at a record rate, which is also a far cry from his statement about them losing a few members who disagree like I do with a few things they do. I guess he figures he will go up to DC representing himself and put Feinstein in her place, rather than helping 4 million or more "wingnuts " do the job that will be needed this time to stop an all out assault on many weapons that may even be in his home. He also completely missed the sheep anology in the post schmalts put up and that didn't surprise me either, but I guess he wouldn't care about that either since he already got his sheep a few weeks ago and doesn't need another one of them either!

 

[noharleyyet]

Buzz is a staunch independent. That's why he attacks R's and D's with the same fervor.

Oh, wait.........

 

[rhomas]

Yes, Buzz, I realize that there are plenty of archery hunters (all one has to do to see the evidence is watch a few of the hunting programs on television), but did you happen to notice that the exact same media used the term "tactical bow" to describe the archery gear used by the kid in Wyoming when he murdered his father? Do you truly believe that the Feinstein's of this country are going to be content with banning our semi-automatic guns? Can you possibly put aside your animosity towards the NRA and it's supporters, along with those of us who don't want to concede any item to the gun ban movement, long enough to recognize that your compound bow or crossbow just might also end up on the chopping block? For years, people complained about the NRA NOT getting involved in hunting and land issues and accused them of being focused on one issue. Then when they responded and did get involved, they once again are vilified for straying from their original purpose and intent. Can we at least agree that no matter how the NRA deals with both guns and hunting issues, they will never be able to satisfy every segment of the hunting and gun owning community?????

As for the differences between archery and gun hunters, it's a fact that all of us regardless of method employed and species we chase, are members of the hunting brotherhood, To denigrate one style, method, or prey, is accomplishing one thing. That is driving a wedge into the brotherhood and that wedge provides the anti-hunters something to use against us.............just as failing to stand aligned against any type of gun ban or control is only adding fuel to the anti-gun movement.

So, go ahead and take your swings at me and others who support the NRA and refuse to surrender any restraints posed towards our guns; but remember when the shit hits the fan and the antis try to eliminate every gun and bow, along with all hunting, it was those of us whom you like to make fun of and cast aspersions against that stood for your rights, as well as ours!!!!!

 

[Oak]

but did you happen to notice that the exact same media used the term "tactical bow" to describe the archery gear used by the kid in Wyoming when he murdered his father?

Link, please.

 

[rhomas]

Oak, it was in the newspaper and current events at the time of the incident. I don't make it a habit to store information, sorry. I'm sure that if you'd like to take the time to research the incident and read the reports, you will see the comments where the term was used. I have to believe that there are others on here who read the same articles or heard the same descriptions, so maybe someone else can provide a link that would satisfy your curiosity.