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[DFS]

Ugh. These idiots that sells their souls for a few likes.

Hence why I might not post it here when I kill one. Even this thread is a double edged sword. Nothing comes without a cost.

Seems pretty single edged to me. I’m too fat and lazy to try it, but I had a conversation with a guy today that isn’t. This thread sucks and I’m sorry for the people that are tough enough to do it.

 

[Bascott1]

I’m surprised there aren’t more “influencers” trying the unlimiteds. Prob wouldn’t make for good “tv” with such low odds.

 

[406bobcat]

Does anyone ever fear threads like this (190 pages of photos/advice) are a detriment to the sustainability of general/unlimited hunting seasons like the UL sheep opportunity? I suspect very few will think so, but I'm genuinely curious.

A few thoughts: In the long run, I fear technology (including information platforms like this, podcasts, etc) will lead to greater hunter success and to counter balance that, opportunity will have to be restricted to maintain quotas/harvest objectives (Even when it comes to low success units like the Beartooth Sheep units).

Between all the media out there, one can learn years of knowledge in hours, without ever stepping foot in the Beartooth (That's the best part). There is an argument that the pressure was once greater and the season was sustainable; however, there was not technical gear, long range (500+ yard) rifles, quality optics, etc. When all of these items are combined with easy access to information, my selfish fear is that the success will increase over the long run and the season will be shorter and shorter, or the opportunity lesser than it once was. I hope people will be thoughtful in what information they expose on the internet, podcasts, magazines, etc.

This isn't meant to be a shit post but is something I think about often and am curious what other's thoughts are. I think the UL sheep hunting community is incredible and there is a need for a community such as this to sustain/support the current units and potentially support new units. I think the access to specific information (gained through descriptive photos, podcasts, etc) is (in the long run) a threat to not only UL sheep hunting opportunity but quality, general elk/deer opportunities across the West. I don't think this will be realized overnight but there's no doubt hunters are far more effective today than they were 20 years ago. Something has to give and I think we'd all rather have an opportunity to hunt and enjoy the process than for it to be easier and infrequent.

I totally agree.

UL sheep hunting has become the 'top tier' for many guys, in their minds - I believe there are several podcasts, videos, and social media posts calling the UL's the 'Impossible Hunt'. And I think, in the hunting community especially, notoriety and recognition via media is one of the biggest motivators for people.

There are pages and pages on HT on overcrowding, nonresident pressure, low densities, etc. But in turn, there are pages and pages of posts that share years and years of information and knowledge to the general public.

Our community is often our own worst enemy.

It's not about shamming people. It’s more about educating folks that the information they share can, in the end, reduce opportunities by increasing pressure and dramatically increasing interest.

I think the reason UL hunters want information to be guarded and not so 'open', is because the UL's are an over-the-counter hunt in a limited area for a highly limited resource.

 

[mtnkid85]

I totally agree.

UL sheep hunting has become the 'top tier' for many guys, in their minds - I believe there are several podcasts, videos, and social media posts calling the UL's the 'Impossible Hunt'. And I think, in the hunting community especially, notoriety and recognition via media is one of the biggest motivators for people.

There are pages and pages on HT on overcrowding, nonresident pressure, low densities, etc. But in turn, there are pages and pages of posts that share years and years of information and knowledge to the general public.

Our community is often our own worst enemy.

It's not about shamming people. It’s more about educating folks that the information they share can, in the end, reduce opportunities by increasing pressure and dramatically increasing interest.

I think the reason UL hunters want information to be guarded and not so 'open', is because the UL's are an over-the-counter hunt in a limited area for a highly limited resource.

Ive said this in the past before too. In the beartooth climbing community there is a deep sense of "Have your own adventure" ethic, where information on climbs are not widely published and folks are encouraged to go out explore for yourself. There has been an incredible amount of very interesting climbing done in that mountain range that you just don't hear about unless you sit down and have a conversation with the dudes doing it.
Ive largely approached my hunting in the area with the same mindset. Its the ethic of the area.

 

[longrunner]

So quite these days- I need some inspiration before my knees wont let me do this hunt!

 

[Beignet]

So quite these days- I need some inspiration before my knees wont let me do this hunt!

Seems everyone got shamed into going quiet.

Season is right around the corner though, good luck to all!

 

[Hams42]

I've been getting out and getting my butt handed to me by the tooths. 2 months until opener!

 

[TX Mountain Hunter]

Idk “ the my gun almost turned into a lightning rod “ part might deter a few.

I’ve been away from this thread for a bit, but after first hand experience of hearing that buzzing sound next to my ear on the pack it will definitely scare the piss out of ya.

The pack and rifle was thrown to the ground in record time and I went sprinting and ducking on my heels ASAP. With no strike in the next minute and buzzing subsided I went bailing off the top of that peak as fast as safely possible.

Just be careful on that descent

Never heard of it happening to anyone else until that podcast. Only with a fly rod.

 

[MojaveJim]

Any info on availability of wolf tags for the unlimited this year. Been watching F&G website and seems like they are working on a new management plan. Thanks for any info.

 

[TX Mountain Hunter]

Does anyone ever fear threads like this (190 pages of photos/advice) are a detriment to the sustainability of general/unlimited hunting seasons like the UL sheep opportunity? I suspect very few will think so, but I'm genuinely curious.

A few thoughts: In the long run, I fear technology (including information platforms like this, podcasts, etc) will lead to greater hunter success and to counter balance that, opportunity will have to be restricted to maintain quotas/harvest objectives (Even when it comes to low success units like the Beartooth Sheep units).

Between all the media out there, one can learn years of knowledge in hours, without ever stepping foot in the Beartooth (That's the best part). There is an argument that the pressure was once greater and the season was sustainable; however, there was not technical gear, long range (500+ yard) rifles, quality optics, etc. When all of these items are combined with easy access to information, my selfish fear is that the success will increase over the long run and the season will be shorter and shorter, or the opportunity lesser than it once was. I hope people will be thoughtful in what information they expose on the internet, podcasts, magazines, etc.

This isn't meant to be a shit post but is something I think about often and am curious what other's thoughts are. I think the UL sheep hunting community is incredible and there is a need for a community such as this to sustain/support the current units and potentially support new units. I think the access to specific information (gained through descriptive photos, podcasts, etc) is (in the long run) a threat to not only UL sheep hunting opportunity but quality, general elk/deer opportunities across the West. I don't think this will be realized overnight but there's no doubt hunters are far more effective today than they were 20 years ago. Something has to give and I think we'd all rather have an opportunity to hunt and enjoy the process than for it to be easier and infrequent.

I feel obligated to share my $0.02.

Roadgoat, I appreciate this point of view and have even had similar thoughts at times.

The MT ULs have been an incredible experience for me. In part due to this forum. In addition to incredible experiences the friends I’ve made in part due to this forum are second to none.

I agree that changes could be made. Faster reporting, faster closures, I’d even be receptive to primitive weapons if there was a good way to hold people accountable for season closures on wounded animals. I hope that units and areas can also expand and be added with growing populations of sheep through improved management practices.

As a nonresident who simply does not have the opportunity to move to MT or AK due to family and other reasons, I am extremely thankful for a lot of things surrounding the ULs:

1. My family for letting me chase this dream
2. Shawn Stewart - for making the dream of chasing wild sheep a reality for every one of us. Because of his actions all the rest of these are possible
3. This friends I’ve met because of the MT ULs, including this forum
4. Podcasts and those who share just enough of a teaser to attract interest, but not too much
5. Others who I’m unaware who have advocated for the ULs to still exist
6. The stories I continue to hear on this forum of others like me who are chasing a dream

I hope the film permit is denied. I hope the information stays scarce and limited, yet is just enough to fuel the dream for others like me.

I hope we all take this as a challenge to advocate for these opportunities to be around not only for us but generations to come. I can assure you that my efforts and limited dollars will be going towards this and wild sheep opportunities in general as possible for years to come.

 

[rogerthat]

Who are the turds applying for the film permit? Gritty and Lampers? Cody Rich?

 

[Beignet]

Who are the turds applying for the film permit? Gritty and Lampers? Cody Rich?

Lacking real jobs, I’d bet that anyone who derives their income stream from social media could probably also go sit on sheep for a month or two to get THE MOST EXTREME HUNT EVER footage (or however they hype their chit up). Sure hope no one issues permits to film in there.

 

[Roadgoat]

Ive said this in the past before too. In the beartooth climbing community there is a deep sense of "Have your own adventure" ethic, where information on climbs are not widely published and folks are encouraged to go out explore for yourself. There has been an incredible amount of very interesting climbing done in that mountain range that you just don't hear about unless you sit down and have a conversation with the dudes doing it.
Ive largely approached my hunting in the area with the same mindset. Its the ethic of the area.

Out of 192 pages of posts, this is the best single post in this entire thread.

 

[Snowhunter11]

This will be my first year out sheep hunting the beartooths. The interesting stories provided here (Good or bad) I would say helped push me to take the plunge and buy a tag. Hopefully this thread can continue to inspire newcomers like myself while protecting the sanctity of the unlimiteds. Thanks to those who put in the time/effort and post for others to follow and dream!

My uneducated guess would be this hunt is out of reach of 95% of hunters due to time, location, physical abilities, finances, etc. I guess I will find out soon if it’s like camping at a Koa 20 miles deep

 

[EYJONAS!]

. I guess I will find out soon if it’s like camping at a Koa 20 miles deep

It's about the polarfuknopposite of a KOA no matter how deep.

 

[Snowhunter11]

It's about the polarfuknopposite of a KOA no matter how deep.

 

[TX Mountain Hunter]

It's about the polarfuknopposite of a KOA no matter how deep.

Assuming the KOA comment was mostly a joke but on a serious note, be safe out there.

Be prepared for whatever is thrown your way. Deep snow on opening day, rain, winds to blow your tent down or away, grizzlies, rockslides, and much more.


Fatalities do happen in the beartooths.

Best of luck to you out there.

 

[Beignet]

Anyone have waypoints for the canteen back there that sells snacks and cold beer?

 

[BigHornRam]

Anyone have waypoints for the canteen back there that sells snacks and cold beer?

Never been in it, but I think this is what your looking for.

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[Hams42]

Assuming the KOA comment was mostly a joke but on a serious note, be safe out there.

Be prepared for whatever is thrown your way. Deep snow on opening day, rain, winds to blow your tent down or away, grizzlies, rockslides, and much more.


Fatalities do happen in the beartooths.

Best of luck to you out there.

Silt and mud have been my downfall this year. Nothing like sinking up to your waist with a heavy pack. Good Ole Montana quick sand.