TrumpkinTheDwarf
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I've heard 502 is where it's at. All the remaining 501 sheep are scared stiff from the cannonade, and migrated south.
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buffybr
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It looked that way 20 years ago when I hunted it.
thusby
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I propose making the unlimited hunts "wheellock muzzleloader only".
mtnkid85
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I honestly feel like its time for us to reevaluate this 48hr to report than 48hr closure. In this day and age we all have the capabilities to check quotas every day and can at least message out everyday. Id say the time of closure could be cut down to 24hrs pretty easily.
Of course we as the hunters could simply take it upon ourselves to not keep hunting once the quota has been filled also.
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Didn't stop the legend of Jack from killing 4 rams in a day........
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The ram quotas are fairly conservative, and what typical deal to happen in 2020 I wouldn't say that it couldn't happen again but it's fairly unlikely. Yeah reporting could maybe change but it isn't that practical in my eyes. The system has worked for 50 years so why change it. Looking into the amount of applicants there's actually not that much variation throughout the past 40 years. Matter of fact its lower than the 80s. It's gonna be interesting to see how counts come out and see who shows up in places but I'm sure it'll be just fine.
303 just had a pneumonia break out within the last 8 years they closed it for 2 I think and those sheep bounced back with flying colors. The number I heard is they picked up over 60 dead rams that winter........
If you look at this years deal in 501 2 rams got killed that same day 2 other rams got dumped in another drainage which pushed a 3rd over the top and he got whacked by another guy that heard the shooting. The 6th ram was taken by a guy who just so happened to try a Longshot hunt and happens to catch the ram on the afternoon of closure in a transition period.
The population is healthier than one knows.
Don't change anything that's been working and #*^@#* it all up for the future. It's a amazing opportunity to have.
303 just had a pneumonia break out within the last 8 years they closed it for 2 I think and those sheep bounced back with flying colors. The number I heard is they picked up over 60 dead rams that winter........
If you look at this years deal in 501 2 rams got killed that same day 2 other rams got dumped in another drainage which pushed a 3rd over the top and he got whacked by another guy that heard the shooting. The 6th ram was taken by a guy who just so happened to try a Longshot hunt and happens to catch the ram on the afternoon of closure in a transition period.
The population is healthier than one knows.
Don't change anything that's been working and #*^@#* it all up for the future. It's a amazing opportunity to have.
rjthehunter
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Its another responsibility I think everyone is more than capable of doing. It could just become part of the hunt the same way a trekking pole is. Something you're gonna need for this hunt.
thusby
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Doesn't sound like much time for checking the quota with the way it went down. Other than the 6th one.
mtnkid85
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Thats my understanding of how it went down as well. And its awesome that many folks got on sheep, don't think Im trying to take that away- I was out there too.
As far as why change it? Because we have the technology to enable the change. Right? And I agree the unlimited are an amazing opportunity that I think we need to make sure endures the test of time.
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I agree the tech is there but how does it correlate to checking in of ram if successful. Is it 48 hours from kill or reported?
I just fail to see how that would've changed any of the outcome from this years hunt. Whether it be 501 or 502 that went over. If anything would have to change they would have to get rid of the 48hr closure period.
Still not open for much change here partner.
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Besides a sat phone how would you propose to call in and report? There's a lot of places in there where your not getting any service even up top.
mtnkid85
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No, Im just saying reduce the time from when the quota is filled and when the disctrict actually closes. Right now you can still hunt for 48hrs once the quota has been met. With all the sat messengers we have now its easy to receive a daily updates on quota status, it wouldn't be any harder on the hunters if it closed in 24hrs.
I know this is kinda semantics, splitting hairs. But what else do we have to argue about for the next 285 days? (Not that im counting)
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The goat speaks.....
thusby
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Gotta look at the bright side. There are now 9 guys that won’t be going into 501/2 for 7 years
shines@times
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Have you always been a Sadist; or has following this thread driven you to that condition?
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shines@times
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Okay, at least you are an optimistic sadist. Where might one obtain a wheel-lock these days?
recurveman
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If you look at the number of rams killed in the past 10 years it will be really close to the actual quota set over that time period. More than once there was only one ram shot (instead of 2) and one year they didn't shoot any rams. I think the quota system is pretty close over a longer period of time. Obviously there were plenty of rams to choose from and I'm sure others are dying of old age.
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Just curious @mtnkid85 how many seasons have you done the unlimited hunts?
About the only 1 of the 5 districts where I could see a 24 hr closure is even practical or needed maybe and its a maybe. Is 303 Gardiner area. One major weather event and the stars line up just right a guy could have a real mess on his hands if some sheep got caught out of the park.
I could see a Spanish Peaks massacre happening there for sure..... hasn't happened yet though.
Let me ask you this.......... What happens if your hunting with a buddy who has a tag as well. There's one on the quota in your district, you guys come across 2 tanker rams, I mean full blown double broomed, 10 year old rams. The rams are in a good area for packout, you've been grinding for 20 days for a sheep, this is the moment.
Do you shoot both rams?
The answer is........... #*^@#* yes you do. Flick that safety and count to 3......
If you say no, then your lying to yourself if it doesn't cross your mind.
Because those two rams harvested are of age, caliber, them being harvested isn't going to have an effect on the population one bit. They actually stand just of good of chance not making it that winter if they are 10 plus.
More rams die of age, winter, predation, natural causes than anything else. Not hunter harvest.
About the only 1 of the 5 districts where I could see a 24 hr closure is even practical or needed maybe and its a maybe. Is 303 Gardiner area. One major weather event and the stars line up just right a guy could have a real mess on his hands if some sheep got caught out of the park.
I could see a Spanish Peaks massacre happening there for sure..... hasn't happened yet though.
Let me ask you this.......... What happens if your hunting with a buddy who has a tag as well. There's one on the quota in your district, you guys come across 2 tanker rams, I mean full blown double broomed, 10 year old rams. The rams are in a good area for packout, you've been grinding for 20 days for a sheep, this is the moment.
Do you shoot both rams?
The answer is........... #*^@#* yes you do. Flick that safety and count to 3......
If you say no, then your lying to yourself if it doesn't cross your mind.
Because those two rams harvested are of age, caliber, them being harvested isn't going to have an effect on the population one bit. They actually stand just of good of chance not making it that winter if they are 10 plus.
More rams die of age, winter, predation, natural causes than anything else. Not hunter harvest.
True!
