EYJONAS!
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Get them post counts up @TX Mountain Hunter and @brodiemcd so I can send a gawd damn pm message....... please.
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EYJONAS!
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Looks like there's a small glich. Or something.
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EYJONAS!
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Man i hope your kidding but knowing you. You're definitely not....
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and probably going to regret this, but.... 10!
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Saw those guys as well. Stupid question but is there a concern for disease transmission?
Yeah, there is. The science on goat transmission to wild sheep is a bit unsettled from my understanding, but it’s certainly less of a risk than domestic sheep are. However, it’s still a risk and in my opinion, too big of one.
There’s probably more recent, better studies, but I recall looking at one where infected goats and infected domestic sheep were exposed to wild sheep. The goats infected wild sheep at a much lower rate than the domestic sheep did, but there was still disease transmission.
The pack goats were on Boulder Pass, which is an easy 4 mile walk up a nice pack trail. The guys that had them were fit, younger men. Not sure why they even needed the goats. I would think they’d be a bigger PITA than a help.
@Oak can probably add a lot more info on this
Here is some information about goats.
Besser, T. E., E. F. Cassirer, K. A. Potter, and W. J. Foreyt. 2018. Exposure of bighorn sheep to domestic
goats colonized with Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae induces sub-lethal pneumonia (vol 12, e0178707, 2017). PLoS One 13. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0178707.
Cassirer, E. F., K. R. Manlove, R. K. Plowright, and T. E. Besser. 2017. Evidence for strain-specific
immunity to pneumonia in bighorn sheep. Journal of Wildlife Management 81:133–143. http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/jwmg.21172
Drew, M. L., and G. C. Weiser. 2017. Potential disease agents in domestic goats and relevance to bighorn
sheep (Ovis canadensis) management. PLoS One 12:e0173396. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0173396
Foreyt, W. J. 1994. Effects of controlled contact exposure between healthy bighorn sheep and llamas,
domestic goats, mountain goats, cattle, domestic sheep, or mouflon sheep. Proceedings of the Biennial Symposium of the Northern Wild Sheep and Goat Council 9:7–14. media.nwsgc.org/proceedings/NWSGC-1994/1994-Foreyt.pdf
Foreyt, W. J., E. J. Jenkins, and G. D. Appleyard. 2009. Transmission of lungworms (Muellerius cappilaris)
from domestic goats to bighorn sheep on common pasture. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 45:272–278. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-45.2.272
Heinse, L. M., L. H. Hardesty, and R. B. Harris. 2016. Risk of pathogen spillover to bighorn sheep from
domestic sheep and goat flocks on private land. Wildlife Society Bulletin 40:625–633. https://doi.org/10.1002/wsb.718.
Jansen B. D, J. R. Heffelfinger, T. H. Noon, P. R. Krausman, and J. C. deVos, Jr. 2006. Infectious
keratoconjuncivitis in bighorn sheep, Silver Bell Mountains, Arizona, USA. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 42:407–411. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-42.2.407
Kamath, P. L., K. Manlove, E. F. Cassirer, P. C. Cross, and T. E. Besser. 2019. Genetic structure of
Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae informs pathogen spillover dynamics between domestic and wild Caprinae in the western United States. Scientific Reports 9:15318. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-51444-x
Rudolph, K. M., D. L. Hunter, W. J. Foreyt, E. F. Cassirer, R. B. Rimler, and A. C. S. Ward. 2003. Sharing
of Pasteurella spp. between free-ranging bighorn sheep and feral goats. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 39:897–903. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-39.4.897
Besser, T. E., E. F. Cassirer, K. A. Potter, and W. J. Foreyt. 2018. Exposure of bighorn sheep to domestic
goats colonized with Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae induces sub-lethal pneumonia (vol 12, e0178707, 2017). PLoS One 13. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0178707.
Cassirer, E. F., K. R. Manlove, R. K. Plowright, and T. E. Besser. 2017. Evidence for strain-specific
immunity to pneumonia in bighorn sheep. Journal of Wildlife Management 81:133–143. http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/jwmg.21172
Drew, M. L., and G. C. Weiser. 2017. Potential disease agents in domestic goats and relevance to bighorn
sheep (Ovis canadensis) management. PLoS One 12:e0173396. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0173396
Foreyt, W. J. 1994. Effects of controlled contact exposure between healthy bighorn sheep and llamas,
domestic goats, mountain goats, cattle, domestic sheep, or mouflon sheep. Proceedings of the Biennial Symposium of the Northern Wild Sheep and Goat Council 9:7–14. media.nwsgc.org/proceedings/NWSGC-1994/1994-Foreyt.pdf
Foreyt, W. J., E. J. Jenkins, and G. D. Appleyard. 2009. Transmission of lungworms (Muellerius cappilaris)
from domestic goats to bighorn sheep on common pasture. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 45:272–278. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-45.2.272
Heinse, L. M., L. H. Hardesty, and R. B. Harris. 2016. Risk of pathogen spillover to bighorn sheep from
domestic sheep and goat flocks on private land. Wildlife Society Bulletin 40:625–633. https://doi.org/10.1002/wsb.718.
Jansen B. D, J. R. Heffelfinger, T. H. Noon, P. R. Krausman, and J. C. deVos, Jr. 2006. Infectious
keratoconjuncivitis in bighorn sheep, Silver Bell Mountains, Arizona, USA. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 42:407–411. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-42.2.407
Kamath, P. L., K. Manlove, E. F. Cassirer, P. C. Cross, and T. E. Besser. 2019. Genetic structure of
Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae informs pathogen spillover dynamics between domestic and wild Caprinae in the western United States. Scientific Reports 9:15318. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-51444-x
Rudolph, K. M., D. L. Hunter, W. J. Foreyt, E. F. Cassirer, R. B. Rimler, and A. C. S. Ward. 2003. Sharing
of Pasteurella spp. between free-ranging bighorn sheep and feral goats. Journal of Wildlife Diseases 39:897–903. https://doi.org/10.7589/0090-3558-39.4.897
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Is there no law against bringing them in the Beartooth’s like there is in other locations?
Maybe they were intended for bear or wolf bait?
There should be.
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That’s awesome stuff. Congrats guys
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Our big 8-day season opener trip in 500 went down the tubes this year when a visiting in-law brought me the gift of COVID the day before we were going to head into the A-B Wilderness. Now we're trying to make the best of it with a later 4-day trip. This was my reminder to myself from last year to just enjoy the high country whether or not I ever fill that ram tag. 
Our big 8-day season opener trip in 500 went down the tubes this year when a visiting in-law brought me the gift of COVID the day before we were going to head into the A-B Wilderness. Now we're trying to make the best of it with a later 4-day trip. This was my reminder to myself from last year to just enjoy the high country whether or not I ever fill that ram tag.
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Kill that ibex, pack it out with the unicorn and call it a day. You’ll never top that.
So the question is what to do with bigfoot?? Shoot it and post it saying you shot a hybrid bear?? Seems to be the thing these days
