De-publicize, De-glorify and De-monetize Western State Hunting

[mountainlaurel3]

Running the Mountain Tacticool and MtnPrst at the same time reminds me of the roadside vendor I saw selling flags and blankets. Black Lives Matter commie fist flags and KamalaKween blankets on one side of his stand and Buck Fiden, F your Feelings, TRUMP2024, Gadsden flags on the other.

Talk about drinking from both wells.

Does anyone else read mtnprst as mountain priest and picture him hunting above treeline in a cassock, chanting at adult onset hunters?

No?

Just me?

 

[MTLabrador]

Does anyone else read mtnprst as mountain priest and picture him hunting above treeline in a cassock, chanting at adult onset hunters?

No?

Just me?

That was my first thought. #tacticalmonk

 

[TOGIE]

Does anyone else read mtnprst as mountain priest and picture him hunting above treeline in a cassock, chanting at adult onset hunters?

No?

Just me?

no, not just you

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I'm not arguing that point 1 bit. but again it's not addressing my question of NR input at a WYOMING commission meeting...maybe I missed something in this thread or its above my paygrade....carry on

Ah gotcha, the WY commission should do what's in the best interest of WY Residents, but I think NR input can be helpful.

For instance if, they probably don't, a ton of people share my sentiment that sheep odds are horrific anyway so whatever, I value hunting elk in wilderness more regularly far above sheep, maybe the commission might weigh that in how they proceed with allocation.

 

[TheJason]

Uhhh I didn't drive either...this technology thing makes it so you don't have to. And people still aren't showing up via easy technology. Pre-Covid they MAY have had an excuse...not now.

Agree that Residents need to step it up...bigely.

Fair enough, but that still doesn’t answer my question of why a commissioner would or should consider my testimony on many issues as a NR? And, what’s the difference between testifying via zoom or submitting written comments?

 

[BuzzH]

Fair enough, but that still doesn’t answer my question of why a commissioner wood or should consider my testimony as a NR? And, what’s the difference between testifying via zoom or submitting written comments?

There wasn't many written comments either...so few the commission President complained about it.

But, there was a huge increase in tag applications...priorities and all that.

I guess I'm just curious when all these new advocates are going to show up we claim we're creating?

 

[rwc101]

Fair enough, but that still doesn’t answer my question of why a commissioner would or should consider my testimony on many issues as a NR?

$$$

 

[TheJason]

There wasn't many written comments either...so few the commission President complained about it.

But, there was a huge increase in tag applications...priorities and all that.

I guess I'm just curious when all these new advocates are going to show up?

Apathy is certainly a real thing and a serious issue. To be honest though, I wasn’t even aware there was a commission meeting and I couldn’t even begin to tell you what issues they were discussing.

 

[BuzzH]

Apathy is certainly a real thing and a serious issue. To be honest though, I wasn’t even aware there was a commission meeting and I couldn’t even begin to tell you what issues they were discussing.

Season setting meeting.

All GF websites seem to be some level of clunky for sure...yet we set application records via those clunky systems.

Anyway, appropriate links.

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[Bgriffith]

I have just a few questions... “why” should we, as nonresidents, care what Wyoming does with our “privilege” of hunting in their state? Was this meeting information on here anywhere before the meeting? If not where are our, NR, advocates for the state of WY on here? I think we can all do a better job of providing information and advocating for NR hunting opportunity within our own states. Also the infighting of people who have different styles of accomplishing the same goals has got to stop. There has to be common ground found and built upon. My momma once told her that if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Trashing one persons style of accomplishing something because you disagree with it, yet your goals are the same is a strange to me and seems self serving and petty. Almost the playground equivalent to I’m better then you. Personally I love to hear about all the issues in other states and will, and have made comments on them. Although being a NR in other states besides my own, who knows what weight it carries as I’m just Joe blow public NR at that. But it never hurts to know the issues and make your voice known!

 

[Deleted member 18333]

I have just a few questions... “why” should we, as nonresidents, care what Wyoming does with our “privilege” of hunting in their state?

Because they, the Commission just gave away "your" tags to a private organization to be used by "their" friends. Maybe that does not concern you.

 

[Bgriffith]

Because they, the Commission just gave away "your" tags to a private organization to be used by "their" friends. Maybe that does not concern you.

But are they “my” tags as a nonresident? Or are they the great state of Wyoming’s to do what they see fit? what happen to the residents advocating for “ us” nonresidents opportunity? These are rhetorical questions as of this point I have yet to try my hand in WY. But that does not mean I don’t hope to someday. Perhaps I was late to the party on this one.

 

[TheJason]

Because they, the Commission just gave away "your" tags to a private organization to be used by "their" friends. Maybe that does not concern you.

Something like that would concern me. Not because I’m losing tags, but simply because of my philosophical opposition to the one shot hunt. I had no idea it was on the docket. Too many irons in the fire to keep track of it all.

All that said, for many topics there is little intelligent input many folks, myself included, can offer about season settings.

 

[BuzzH]

Because they, the Commission just gave away "your" tags to a private organization to be used by "their" friends. Maybe that does not concern you.

Appreciate the effort...but its pointless, some just refuse to get it.

Nobody knows about the commission meeting, but they don't miss a draw deadline and plug the website the day draw results come out.

 

[Deleted member 18333]

These are tags that would have otherwise been available in the draw, both res and NR. The biologist for the region will try to tell you that these tags don't influence the number available in the draw but even the Commissioners don't buy that line. At least they didn't last year.

 

[Deleted member 18333]

Something like that would concern me. Not because I’m losing tags, but simply because of my philosophical opposition to the one shot hunt. I had no idea it was on the docket. Too many irons in the fire to keep track of it all.

All that said, for many topics there is little intelligent input many folks, myself included, can offer about season settings.

I hear you. This is an issue for all of us. To be honest its one of the reasons I largely stay out of how other states want to manage their animals, tags, allocations, seasons, etc. Even just paying attention to Wyo things get missed. I was able to attend the one shot approval Comm meeting last year, along with a few other posters on here, and I think we had a positive effect. This year I was not.

I think you may be underestimating yourself on season setting. They mostly go pretty smooth. I find them helpful to see what data the WGF is using to develop seasons and tag numbers. Every once in a while there is something to push back on and I have seen public input influence that. Other times it did not.

 

[Wildabeest]

Appreciate the effort...but its pointless, some just refuse to get it.

Nobody knows about the commission meeting, but they don't miss a draw deadline and plug the website the day draw results come out.

Buzz, you want NR’s to stay the hell out of the 90/10 issue, but then chastise them for not showing up on the one shot issue. Can’t have it both ways. Either NRs should have a voice or they shouldn’t. You can’t pick and choose based on the issue.

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz, you want NR’s to stay the hell out of the 90/10 issue, but then chastise them for not showing up on the one shot issue. Can’t have it both ways. Either NRs should have a voice or they shouldn’t. You can’t pick and choose based on the issue.

Do what you want, or not.

I'm still left to wonder just when all these advocates are going to show up though?

 

[Cornell Cowboy]

Uhhh I didn't drive either...this technology thing makes it so you don't have to. And people still aren't showing up via easy technology. Pre-Covid they MAY have had an excuse...not now.

Agree that Residents need to step it up...bigely.

As a resident in the same town as you, my excuse was that I had meetings for my actual job for almost all of the day today (as I do most days), but I did manage to jump on for the deer and elk sessions.

I guess I'm also not sure what you would have me be "advocating" for. In response to the season setting presentations in late March I did write to express support for the 38-2 antelope tags and opposition to the 7-2 elk tags. I have written letters in opposition to the sale of state lands (Old Elk Ranch SE of Laramie) that were being legally accessed by the public, suggesting a swap that would make an additional state section contiguous with the NF. But most of what I "advocate" for are things that I would just personally like. I don't pretend that I have the knowledge/data to criticize the WYGF in their decisions (I think often they don't have very good data either) but I also don't feel like anything I say will matter anyways -- the "big boys" have already decided what the outcome will be and my "voice" is simply being heard so that they can check the boxes for public comment. At least in the two sessions that I watched, it didn't seem like public comment made much of a difference.

 

[BuzzH]

As a resident in the same town as you, my excuse was that I had meetings for my actual job for almost all of the day today (as I do most days), but I did manage to jump on for the deer and elk sessions.

I guess I'm also not sure what you would have me be "advocating" for. In response to the season setting presentations in late March I did write to express support for the 38-2 antelope tags and opposition to the 7-2 elk tags. I have written letters in opposition to the sale of state lands (Old Elk Ranch SE of Laramie) that were being legally accessed by the public, suggesting a swap that would make an additional state section contiguous with the NF. But most of what I "advocate" for are things that I would just personally like. I don't pretend that I have the knowledge/data to criticize the WYGF in their decisions (I think often they don't have very good data either) but I also don't feel like anything I say will matter anyways -- the "big boys" have already decided what the outcome will be and my "voice" is simply being heard so that they can check the boxes for public comment. At least in the two sessions that I watched, it didn't seem like public comment made much of a difference.

I hear you...and I don't expect every individual to show up every time, I get it, we're all busy. But, it would be nice if more than .003% of all the people that hunt, fish, or trap in Wyoming would show up once every year.

Thank you for commenting on those two areas, for the record, the commission approved the 7-2 tag and they're going to regret that decision. Why? Because the Commission and the Department didn't read their own regulations...just sayin'.

I also tend to agree with you that lots of times our comments feel like they're falling on deaf ears, but still not a reason to give up.

We have to demand better...and we aren't going to get there by continuing with the church mouse route.

Like I said, the commission President was complaining today that the public isn't taking the time to comment.

I'm going to have a discussion with him about that and why I feel more people aren't commenting, you've addressed some of it with your post here.