COVID-19 Links, facts and discussion. Politics and hyperbole welcome.

[JLS]

If this is political, I apologize once again for my ignorance........

I saw a map overlay today of cases of the virus over sanctuary cities and there is an amazing correlation to cases of the virus in sanctuary areas. Again, my apologies if this is political, I'm still trying to get used to serious posting on a serious thread

Probably is a high degree of correlation, but about zero degree of causation.

 

[VikingsGuy]

If this is political, I apologize once again for my ignorance........

I saw a map overlay today of cases of the virus over sanctuary cities and there is an amazing correlation to cases of the virus in sanctuary areas. Again, my apologies if this is political, I'm still trying to get used to serious posting on a serious thread

There probably is a correlation with "large metro areas" and "sanctuary city status". There is also a correlation of "infection rates" and "population density". There probably is also a correlation between "international travelers" and "metro areas". These three probably combine to account for the correlation you are seeing, but without any causation.

 

[bushman13]

Good point. I would not listen to a guy with an B.S. in Biology from Gettysburg, M.D. from Duke, Air Force flight surgeon and who delivered 4000 babies during his active practice. Total wacko for sure.

I wonder if he could spell "dissenting" or "understand". Doubtful, too much of a wacko.

Decenting opinions are important, even if they come from wackos, we should undertand what we are up against in this.
Scary stuff.

The Coronavirus Hoax - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of...

ronpaulinstitute.org

 

[JLS]

Is it safe to hike, run and bike outside now? — Los Angeles Times

As restrictions get tighter and stir-craziness grows, officials and Californians walk a delicate line on outdoor activity

apple.news

 

[VikingsGuy]

This may be too "out there" for some, but I thought this was an interesting take on human response to "pandemics"

World of Warcraft perfectly predicted our coronavirus panic

An accidental pandemic in the online game offers a valuable insight into the way people are behaving during the coronavirus crisis

www.wired.co.uk

 

[ImBillT]

Here is a link to a ranking of health care by country. Italy is ranked better than the USA in this ranking. Take it for what it's worth.

I do not think it is the care Italians are receiving that is causing so many deaths, it is that they got swamped by the pandemic.

Best Healthcare in the World 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Their ranking included a lot of things that have nothing to do with how well you’re cared for, or how much equipment is available etc. Although those things were included, the ranking was also based on factors that would in fact give socialized medicine a higher ranking just for being socialized.

But you know...let’s not get political.

 

[406dn]

Their ranking included a lot of things that have nothing to do with how well you’re cared for, or how much equipment is available etc. Although those things were included, the ranking was also based on factors that would in fact give socialized medicine a higher ranking just for being socialized.

But you know...let’s not get political.

That's what the take it for what it's worth statement was for. Also I didn't include any code words,,,like the one you mention twice in one sentence.

 

[ImBillT]

That's what the take it for what it's worth statement was. Also I didn't include any code words,,,like the one you mention twice in one sentence.

I didn’t actually mean that YOU were being political. It was a reference to other posts being called out for being political in what is probably an over sensitive way. I was about to edit that sentence out because it wasn’t clear or needed, but you’ve already responded.

Which code words?

 

[JLS]

For the TLDR, the US was ranked 37th,
@ImBillT take that for what it’s worth.

How is the quality of healthcare determined? Several factors determine the level of healthcare quality in each country. These include the care process (preventative care measures, safe care, coordinated care, and engagement and patient preferences), access (affordability and timeliness), administrative efficiency, equity, and healthcare outcomes (population health, mortality amenable to healthcare, and disease-specific health outcomes). A study by The Commonwealth Fund used these metrics to rank 11 countries based on their quality of healthcare. The top-ranked countries are the United Kingdom, Australia, and the Netherlands.

 

[VikingsGuy]

For the TLDR, the US was ranked 37th,
@ImBillT take that for what it’s worth.

Something is broken with the criteria then, even people from the UK don't like their system, and the Belgians and German systems are "better" than UK from folks that have lived over there. I would love to see a poll of people who have actually lived 5 or 6 years under each "system" and needed serious care.

 

[ImBillT]

For the TLDR, the US was ranked 37th,
@ImBillT take that for what it’s worth.

For the TLDR, the US was ranked 37th,
@ImBillT take that for what it’s worth.

Funny how the U.K. has 1/10 the ICU beds per capita of the USA and yet they’re ranked number one for healthcare. That should ring some alarm bells. Factors like “affordability” and “equity” are going to tilt things automatically toward socialized medicine, even if everyone gets equally bad care, and it’s affordable because they don’t actually offer much. There are other factors they used for rankings that are arguably geographic, and unrelated to the quality of healthcare you would receive.

 

[VikingsGuy]

I think there are many users who are using this thread to get quick access to the emerging news/science about covid-19 as well as some personal experience by fellow Hunttalkers. I don't think they are looking for a debate about single payer healthcare. So, let's either drop this debate (which I have a comment on too) or somebody open up a new thread with this tangent (like we did for humor) so we don't clutter this feed for the majority.

 

[jryoung]

A lot of complex and multilayered data in the link below. Any health care system, no matter what tag you want to put on it will be exceptionally complex. Korea seems to be leading in terms of response and mitigation to the outbreak, yet they have Universal Health Care. But, like anything else, what does that mean? What do they do with it? Is it actually a factor in response?

Fun to pick through some statistics like Hospital Beds, Physican Visits, Smoking, and Obesity rates among Italy, Korea and the US.

Italy and Korea are smokers, but they aren't fat asses like we are.

https://www.oecd.org/health/OECD-Health-Statistics-2019-Frequently-Requested-Data.xls

 

[406dn]

I didn’t actually mean that YOU were being political. It was a reference to other posts being called out for being political in what is probably an over sensitive way. I was about to edit that sentence out because it wasn’t clear or needed, but you’ve already responded.

Which code words?

Ahh your'e way smarter than that. At least I hope so.

Let's just stick to numbers and facts, I'm not looking to cross swords with anyone.

I'm going to keep pulling this link forward because I find it informational.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The last two days the number of cases found and the number of deaths each day are starting to accelerate.

 

[VikingsGuy]

A lot of complex and multilayered data in the link below. Any health care system, no matter what tag you want to put on it will be exceptionally complex. Korea seems to be leading in terms of response and mitigation to the outbreak, yet they have Universal Health Care. But, like anything else, what does that mean? What do they do with it? Is it actually a factor in response?

Fun to pick through some statistics like Hospital Beds, Physican Visits, Smoking, and Obesity rates among Italy, Korea and the US.

Italy and Korea are smokers, but they aren't fat asses like we are.

https://www.oecd.org/health/OECD-Health-Statistics-2019-Frequently-Requested-Data.xls

Just to be clear this is a lower respiratory disease, so that while general health is interesting and has some impact on almost any hospitalization, smoking, asthma, heart disease (and immuno-compromised) are more relevant for this thread.

 

[bushman13]

I've always heard the real killer in assisted living facilities and hospitals is pneumonia. 250k cases a year in the US with a 20% death rate.

 

[LWC55]

Ahh your'e way smarter than that. At least I hope so.

Let's just stick to numbers and facts, I'm not looking to cross swords with anyone.

I'm going to keep pulling this link forward because I find it informational.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The last two days the number of cases found and the number of deaths each day are starting to accelerate.

Yes and I don't know anyone who does not expect the numbers to rapidly accelerate in the near future. The question is will the number of cases and deaths exponentially start to double, triple, quadruple every day with no end in sight. Or will the number of cases and deaths accelerate rapidly, level off, and then start to decline. Much like China has presumably done and we are starting to see from some other countries.[/QUOTE]

 

[406dn]

Yes and I don't know anyone who does not expect the numbers to rapidly accelerate in the near future. The question is will the number of cases and deaths exponentially start to double, triple, quadruple every day with no end in sight. Or will the number of cases and deaths accelerate rapidly, level off, and then start to decline. Much like China has presumably done and we are starting to see from some other countries.

[/QUOTE]

From what I've gathered the disease doubles every few days,,like three to five, depending on the country.

Just today a few minutes ago, there where 2031 new cases discovered. That is 24 % of the total number of cases were confirmed today. Yesterday there were 23 deaths, today, so far that number is 40.

 

[Jape]

Thought this article had some really good scientific info and would be of interest.

Here's what a coronavirus actually looks like — and how to kill it

In the art of war against plagues and pathogens, the proverb about knowing your enemy has submicroscopic relevance.

www.ksl.com

 

[JLS]

There are a lot of things to keep in context. New cases will certainly be influenced by increasing availability of tests (hopefully). Try to analyze this in real time is going to be very difficult, even more so with the complete lack of contextual data for prevalence and trends.