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hossblur said:
No. Antibiotic resistant bugs will though. And they ain't sexy, don't have podcasts, etc.

They don't cure Ebola.

They lock it down. Once the host is dead, so is the virus.

Every second a virus is out of a host it loses strength. The 9 day crap the media ran with, like a lot else was to scare folks.

At 9 days it will be "alive", but not potent.

The studies are showing also, like other viruses, it doesn't like heat.

It's new. But it's 2 cousins are wayyyy deadlier.
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Your rants are odd. I never said that ebola was curable, viability outside of host was never mentioned, temperatures never mentioned, what "cousins" are you talking about? As far as antibiotic resistant bacteria, definitely a problem too.
 
I am preparing for a 4-5 days hiking/camping/coyote hunting excursion. The usual gear items are packed, stove, food, tent, sleeping bag, rifle, etc. However in these times of uncertainty, how many extra rolls of toilet paper should I take?
 
MTGomer said:
It was pretty much a usual Saturday morning at the grocery store here.
We just bought our usual stuff. My wife said it may have been a little busier than normal but there is stiff on the shelves.
Maybe it helps that it is Trader Joe’s. It’s not exactly the Walmart demographic.

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Looks like someone is buying lots of water though
 
Quackillr said:
It’s all good I was listening to a Bozeman country radio station yesterday while meeting a customer at a job site. The host was asking a listener to explain why everyone was so worried. He said well if it’s a 2% death rate and 1,000,000 people get it than 200,000 will die. Said country radio host and his co host didn’t correct the listener and just went along with it. And then one of the guys working on the cabinets was like damn that means like 20% of Montana could die. There was a table saw in the room and I thought of just sawing off my own head to escape.
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I think the point is 2% or 1% sounds like a small number until you extrapolate and even if you misplace a zero it is still a big number of the population or projections. IMO
VikingsGuy said:
On what data are we deciding anyone "bungled" anything. In Wisconsin they decided to close schools, in MN they decided not to. Did WI bungle? Did MN bungle? Who knows yet. Attributing blame at this stage of the game" is merely partisan self-soothing tribalism. I am a never-trumper so don't embarass yourself and pretend I am defending him - I am just tired of all the largely fact-free and science-free political finger pointing on both sides. For god's sake we even spent time blaming a past president from 3 years ago on this thread. Save it for November.
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It is a balancing act, how quickly do you shut down/slow down the economy, how soon do you shut down the schools, how soon do you quarantine, how do you slow down the spread so you don't end up with 2000 people in a 300 bed hospital. Too soon and you tank the economy, to late and you swamp the hospitals. Think the run on toilet paper and then hypothesize what is likely to happen in a hospital.

I'd be willing to bet the number crunchers are the ones running policy right now. Many of the same people who have been in multiple administrations.

It gives me the chills just thinking about the hospital halls jammed with infected people and helpöess patients just a few yards away.
It's a virus and seriously not much you can do about fighting a virus other than prevention. Only so many beds to support those seriously ill.

IMO tests are largely a placebo and the only pragmatic use is to fine-tune the algorithms. Get tested today and you could be infected tomorrow, test positive today and hopefully you self quarantine. How many people, realistically, are going to self-quarantine and not cheat?

My wife is in the hospital now, the second operation this month trying to get all the pre-cancer before it develops into the real deal and metastasizes. I'm wondering if an infection doesn't get her way before the cancer does.

Side note; they shut down daycare and schools here, diapers are sold out, we are soon to be in a world of chit.

The real chit hits the fan if the transportation system breaks down (too many truck drivers, warehousemen, and shelf stockers get sick). If real shortages happen, things may get ugly fast.

Hope for the best and plan for the worse. Talked to my brightest daughter today, I could detect the concern in her voice. Talked to my toughest daughter also, she said: "I got this". My youngest son has been really responsible so far, laid in enough food for months for the whole family.
 
I just sent an email out to the members of the golf league I run as a joke that read.
Due to the Covid-19 the 2020 mens golf league has been cancelled until further notice. Stay safe and rub some dirt on it ya wimps.

The first response back was from a member who is a doctor that read.
Ok we will meet back here in 2021 to discuss next years version. 😂

Exactly!!
 
hossblur said:
MICRO 101, first day, Dr. Oberg

"If it hasn't killed you yet, odds are it won't Tommorow either"

All the nasty, killer shit Microbiologists know about, deal with and create, do you really think corona viruses like this one are very high on that list?
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Honestly, I’m having trouble understanding your rantings so it isn’t worth responding. But I take exception to this statement. I hate to rain on your parade, but it is EXACTLY these bugs that keep health and disease folks up at night. Highly transmissible novel agents for which the human population is immunologically naive are the only way you end up here. It’s precisely because it hasn’t circulated in humans before that we see exponential growth in infections. This is what disease experts were worried about years ago with H5N1, then SARS, then H1N1, then MERS....

None of those ended up having the right combination of transmissibility, virulence, and geographic distribution to blow up quite like this one, but all it takes is a mutation here, a recombination there. But you can bet your ass every one of those events had disease experts sweating about exactly this scenario. Novel agents rank right next to antibiotic resistant bugs for doomsday scenarios.
 
Just like a blocked Colon, this too will pass. Might be a lot of time spent on the throne though. I think this pandemic is a good wake up call for the inevitable coming in the future. It give us insight on how people will really react and also how governments and those in charge will move.
 
I find it disgusting that we here in North America are looking to blame anyone here for this entire problem. Had China not suppressed world knowledge of this when the outbreak first occurred, NONE of the rest of the world would be dealing with this at it's current size. Xi Jinping had the absolute ability to share immediately what he and his people knew with the worlds biologists and doctors - they chose to hide it instead so as not to wear a black eye on their star. China is and always has been a strange place for those of us from the west - I have spent time there and have first hand real world experience. One thing that is abundantly clear to those who travel or work for a period of time there - China would rather suffer a monstrous human loss and even a monstrous financial loss rather than accept blame for anything they have ever done or failed to do.
 
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