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Lmwmihunter76 said:
I woke this morning and ran out of TP, so at lunch I went to the local grocery store to pick some up and shelves are empty. So I asked a clerk why are they out of TP she told me because people are buying for the Coronavirus . So i went to like 3 different stores to buy TP finally found some at Home depot. When I was in line to buy TP I noticed that there were several people with the their carts filled to the brim with TP, bleach, and cleaning products wtf..
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My wife went to Costco yesterday. We were out of TP, so she got some. She said multiple people came up to her and asked where she found the TP. I don't understand some of the hoarding that is going on.
 
SAJ-99 said:
Because knowing the contact points the infected person had before they were sick, yet still contagious, might allow you to get in front of the spread. If sick, stay home is great advice, but you probably gave it to 2-3 people before you got sick.
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Your 3-14 days behind. Continuously.


Hunt deer where they are, not where they were
 
MTGomer said:
Our CEO has told us to refrain from traveling for in person meetings unless absolutely operationally necessary.

The meetings that should have been emails are now emails.
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Our US CEO just did this morning also only it was more succinct - get home before this weekend and don't fly anywhere for the following 2 weeks.

As one of the largest professional services firms on earth, that's unprecedented. 10's of thousands of people in the US alone that were on the road literally every week. I would guess that the other 'big' firms will follow very shortly.
 
ajricketts said:
As I said elsewhere in this thread.

H1N1
12,500 deaths / 60 million infections = 0.2% death rate.

Coronavirus
Assume same 60 million infections x Estimated 2% death rate = 1,200,000 deaths.

Although there is a lot unknown, the above is the concern. Of course that death rate could fluctuate either way but so could the infection rate.

And I watch/read plenty of news, from various sources, and I've not heard "Trump Flu" either. Maybe because I avoid the extremes on either end?

This worked one other time, and I'm willing to give it a shot again

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So, how did y'all get this guy to leave the other forums?
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You know the death rate a decade later. You didn't as it was happening.

Kinda like here. 10 years from now you will know.

The point isn't what you know 10 years later, it's what is happening now vs. the last pandemic.

And, you can't figure death rate during and infectious episode by dividing deaths by population. I don't remember the formula off top of my head, but it's not quite that simple.
 
Southern Elk said:
My wife went to Costco yesterday. We were out of TP, so she got some. She said multiple people came up to her and asked where she found the TP. I don't understand some of the hoarding that is going on.
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gotta wonder if anyone has actually pondered the fact that if they run out of food those damn piles of TP in their extra bedroom will be useless?

food first, TP later - elementary order of operations. weird priorities people have....

i'm hoarding neither tbh, still got a stash of deer meat
 
SAJ-99 said:
You got a better idea? Don't test, don't tell has put us weeks behind the curve already.
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What are you gonna do when they shut Wal-Mart, Kroger, Associated food warehouse because of a positive. Good luck to all of us then

Im all for testing. More positives will not issues lowers the panic.
 
Hilljackoutlaw said:
Yea let's do what they did. Worked real well!
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Your comment was that this is being politically blown out of proportion by our media. Im not watching our media Im watching the country's that were infected earlier than we were.
Being behind them in the curve doesn't make our curve less sharp. Time will tell if denial is our answer.

We can take our best shot at limiting this or we can let it run rampant and other countries will stop us from traveling to them. The economy isn't going to like it either way.
 
Minneapolis StarTribune just had an updated article that in MN 316 patients had sufficient symptoms and medical need to get tested and only 9 tested positive. A good reminder that there are lots of things out there that give us fevers and coughs. This is not to suggest I am minimizing the risk, just that I don't buy that widespread testing is that helpful at this point.
 
hossblur said:
What are you gonna do when they shut Wal-Mart, Kroger, Associated food warehouse because of a positive. Good luck to all of us then

Im all for testing. More positives will not issues lowers the panic.
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Regarding the first sentence, I am confident the Government is not going to let me starve. If it does, I will ask for the plans on that squirrel trap.

At least we agree that more data is better than less data. Unfortunately, the US had lagged in testing from the start of this situation. That is why the market has lost all confidence in the messages from the government (both sides). People have to wonder why we put up with this crap from our elected officials. A crisis demands real leadership, which means doing what is best even though it may be tough.
 
elkmagnet said:
Your comment was that this is being politically blown out of proportion by our media. Im not watching our media Im watching the country's that were infected earlier than we were.
Being behind them in the curve doesn't make our curve less sharp. Time will tell if denial is our answer.

We can take our best shot at limiting this or we can let it run rampant and other countries will stop us from traveling to them. The economy isn't going to like it either way.
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How are we behind them in the curve?
 
SAJ-99 said:
Regarding the first sentence, I am confident the Government is not going to let me starve. If it does, I will ask for the plans on that squirrel trap.

At least we agree that more data is better than less data. Unfortunately, the US had lagged in testing from the start of this situation. That is why the market has lost all confidence in the messages from the government (both sides). People have to wonder why we put up with this crap from our elected officials. A crisis demands real leadership, which means doing what is best even though it may be tough.
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I agree data is good, but tests don't just arrive. Under normal circumstances after a new contagion is found you have a year of R&D followed by a year of regulatory process and 3-6 months of manufacturing scale up. In a rush situation with a fairly well understood contagion (like corona virus) working in parallel with regulatory you can get it done in 3 months + scale up. In an emergency situation you can get the first two steps done in a month or so (see Mayo article in StarTribune). But then you still have to scale from hundreds to millions that take time. Typically these tests at scale are going to cost $10-$20 + lab time. Let's call $25 each a low price for now. To have had 10 million test available today, somebody in the US would have had to decide in January to rush develop and scale and would have needed $250MM upfront on speculation. I am sure that was something we all would have supported - and even then the manufacturing scale up wouldn't be done today.

More data is good, no country in the world is doing 100% testing, ever test made in the US is being used, widespread testing is about #20 on the list of most important issues right now IMO.
 
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