Corona virus

[TheJason]

NOOOOOOO. Social justice warrior.

IT IS NOT IRRELEVANT.

Had China acted when THEY KNEW there was an outbreak, it could have been contained.

This is 1000% directly caused by China.

This is the 2nd corona virus epidemic/pandemic caused by China.

If the virus originated in the US I would anticipate our response would have been no better nor effective than China's was.

Good luck with your continued discussion.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Guess you forgot. So I'll remind you.

1 GM tweeted support for protesters in China.

For that China throttled the league. Rockets got fined, dude was threatened with his job, players were forced to respond by Chinese sponsors.

So ya, it's a little ironic that WUHAN virus will now cost them billions.

You and Alantis Moresette both need help with the meaning of ironic.

 

[TheJason]

BUT a lie repeated enough 24/7 on continuous loop, makes a great talking point.

Coming from you, this is ironic and funny.

Carry on. I'm going to go shop for expensive boots I don't need.

 

[rwc101]

Flour.

Flour was gone.

How many people do you think stocked up on flour, who will realize after the quarantine, they don't have yeast?

It was gone here too. I'll have to defend my Fleischmann's from the masses.

 

[SAJ-99]

Had China acted when THEY KNEW there was an outbreak, it could have been contained.

This came from ???
It seems "spin mode" now is trying to place the blame. We need actions, not excuses.

 

[TOGIE]

How many people do you think stocked up on flour, who will realize after the quarantine, they don't have yeast?

don't need yeast to make cookies

and damn is chocolate chip cookie dough good

 

[Muskeez]

Politics and BS aside, I am not worried yet about my safety during this mess, but my buddy has a 32 y.o. son with Cystic Fibrosis. He has beat the odds for many years and is now on a new gene altering drug that has been helping immensely, but the CV could kill him if he gets it. Of course my buddy hasn't been sleeping well. I am usually the type that doesn't fret about much and often just says things will be fine, and no big deal, but we all have to be careful what we say, because many people have a loved one with compromised immune systems or other lung diseases that could die from this if they get it. Most of us will likely get thru it, but some will not.

 

[LousyResident]

Flour.

Flour was gone.

How many people do you think stocked up on flour, who will realize after the quarantine, they don't have yeast?

I keep a sourdough starter alive and active just in case but most people can make their own within a few days.

 

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Politics and BS aside, I am not worried yet about my safety during this mess, but my buddy has a 32 y.o. son with Cystic Fibrosis. He has beat the odds for many years and is now on a new gene altering drug that has been helping immensely, but the CV could kill him if he gets it. Of course my buddy hasn't been sleeping well. I am usually the type that doesn't fret about much and often just says things will be fine, and no big deal, but we all have to be careful what we say, because many people have a loved one with compromised immune systems or other lung diseases that could die from this if they get it. Most of us will likely get thru it, but some will not.

This is very similar to my situation. 32 years old, incredibly rare immunodeficiency and severely compromised lungs due to a granulomous lung disease and several bouts of near death pneumonia.

I'm tough, but I sure dont want to chance this thing and have a go at it.

The turning of tide on travel restrictions and event cancellations are incredibly appreciated by me. Slowly this thing down long enough to figure out a way to fight it has the potential to save a lot of people like me.

 

[Trial153]

I keep a sourdough starter alive and active just in case but most people can make their own within a few days.

I have some that i got in alaska. Have it for like 15 years already. Supposedly it was brought up with settlers durning the gold rush. I think i was bamboozled

 

[hossblur]

You are correct here.

That said, if the orange moron could speak coherently and concisely without his broken record ramblings we might not be having this discussion.

All pendanticism aside, the POTUS has repeatedly downplayed the seriousness of the virus and told people they would be fine "going to work".

What's the alternative?

"Run for the hills"?

"Duct tape yourself indoors"?


What exactly is he supposed to say?

 

[MTGomer]

This will be an interesting thread to come back to in May.

 

[hossblur]

If the virus originated in the US I would anticipate our response would have been no better nor effective than China's was.

Good luck with your continued discussion.

I know fox news.

Seems the Chinese propaganda industry agrees with you

Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus

It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims of a cover-up made worse by an economic crisis.

www.foxnews.com

 

[VikingsGuy]

What also shocked me at Wally World yesterday (more than a normal visit) was what food people were stocking up on. Rice? Gone. Beans? Gone. Ramen? Gone. All while there's frozen vegetables and meat fully stocked. Do people think the virus is going to infect their freezer? At least eat some real food during the apocalypse.

Not completely irrational, what if the folks running the power plants are fixing the routine outages are sick? I am not saying it will come to this, but not completely lacking logic.

 

[dcopas78]

Statistic almost never give an exact number, but rather a range. Right now the range on a lot of these stats is pretty wide. Some death rates (SK) are low at 0.8% (still 4-8X higher than regular flu) sand some like Italy are over 4% at times. No statistician would EVER get pinned down on a number in a case like this. The answer would be I'm 80% confident it will be between 0.7% and 4.2%. How comforting, right? So you can get articles about how deadly it is right next to articles that say it might be less deadly than we think. It is sort of humorous, but in the current environment of 24/7 news at your fingertips and money is based on clicks, this is what you have to expect.

I listened to podcast last night to US Emergency Med professionals. It was clear the pros are still collecting a lot of useful data from around the globe and they were trying walk the line between saying anything that would panic and making sure it was being taken seriously. Tough task. My only concern was that the Pros talking kept saying they thought the US death rate would be closer to SK at 0.8%. I certainly hope this is true, but 'Hope' is not anything I would base a response strategy on.

Agreed....all of the data will take years to collect. But decisions have to be made proactively, which is understandable in a case like this. What gets disgusting is a lot of the hype being thrown around to both extremes. One report I read stated that US death rate would exceed Italy's. Another said it would be less than the 0.3% of the flu. Two extremes, two BS reports with no basis. Expected in today's world. There are a lot of people feeding horse crap to the masses, and the masses are asking for seconds. It doesn't help. Stressing out isn't going to help anyone fight this off if they do get it. Take it seriously, avoid crowds, wash your hands, etc., etc., as has been mentioned all throughout this thread. And I also hope that is right.

 

[TheJason]

This will be an interesting thread to come back to in May.

Of 2021

 

[BigHornRam]

Politics and BS aside, I am not worried yet about my safety during this mess, but my buddy has a 32 y.o. son with Cystic Fibrosis. He has beat the odds for many years and is now on a new gene altering drug that has been helping immensely, but the CV could kill him if he gets it. Of course my buddy hasn't been sleeping well. I am usually the type that doesn't fret about much and often just says things will be fine, and no big deal, but we all have to be careful what we say, because many people have a loved one with compromised immune systems or other lung diseases that could die from this if they get it. Most of us will likely get thru it, but some will not.

3 months ago my 82 year old father booked a 40 day South America to Florida change over cruise. I tried to talk him into postponing his trip but be didn't listen and is on it right now. About all I can do now is hope the old fool has a good event free trip.

 

[hossblur]

This is very similar to my situation. 32 years old, incredibly rare immunodeficiency and severely compromised lungs due to a granulomous lung disease and several bouts of near death pneumonia.

I'm tough, but I sure dont want to chance this thing and have a go at it.

The turning of tide on travel restrictions and event cancellations are incredibly appreciated by me. Slowly this thing down long enough to figure out a way to fight it has the potential to save a lot of people like me.

But YOU are who we should be trying to protect.

How many resources do you think are spent running around aimlessly?

By crippling the economy, we will make it harder to devote resources to folks like yourself.

Not to mention, we are scaring the hell out of people.

 

[AlaskaHunter]

The source was a wildlife wet market, which was also the source for SARS in 2003.

Wildlife wet markets are were multi-species of live wildlife are stacked in cages.
With COVID-19, they suspect a bat transmitted the virus to the cage below containing a pangolin,
and the pangolin then trasmitted the virus to humans.

 

[Irrelevant]

Singapore Wins Praise For Its COVID-19 Strategy. The U.S. Does Not

Around the world, different countries have responded differently to the coronavirus crisis — with dramatically different results.

www.npr.org

It's all about changing the slope of your line. Hats off to Japan and Singapore.