Bulls for Billionaires - MT EQC Meeting today 1:30 PM

[BuzzH]

How so?

High tolerance of elk and allow reasonable and responsible access to elk hunters. All elk hunters not just those with fat wallets.

 

[brockel]

And it is accessible to hunters? mtmuley

More than it was before

 

[BuzzH]

And it is accessible to hunters? mtmuley

Whether they allow access or not they won't be bitching to the commission or legislature about having too many elk on their property.

 

[Dakotakid]

Who died and made landowners opinions the only concern?

I guess compromise is a one way street.

Because if sportsman continue to abuse the landowners that support public access and cause the ranch to be sold to a billionaire, sportsman lose.

Not sure why sportsman continue to trash landowners, especially the ones willing to support sportsman.

 

[mtmuley]

Whether they allow access or not they won't be bitching to the commission or legislature about having too many elk on their property.

Understood. No access is no access. Doesn't matter who owns it. mtmuley

 

[golfer]

And it is accessible to hunters? mtmuley

I've never had an issue with getting permission to hunt their stuff.

 

[mtmuley]

I've never had an issue with getting permission to hunt their stuff.

I have. mtmuley

 

[Dakotakid]

High tolerance of elk and allow reasonable and responsible access to elk hunters. All elk hunters not just those with fat wallets.

I am not sure what exactly you are implying? That I have a fat wallet?

 

[Gerald Martin]

I bet within 3 hunting seasons you would see significantly better general hunting.

Many areas in Montana elk use public lands during the summer. If they weren't pressured for 11 weeks why would they leave?

Only reason they leave is because of pressure, dead in the back of a pickup, or really significant snow, that we rarely get even into December anymore.

I was guessing five years. Much less time than the 10+ years of shoulder seasons and increased piss pounding of elk that FWP has used to compound the problems.

I agree with @mtmuley that the average MT hunter won’t understand or support this at first until they start to see results.

That’s why the only chance this solution has of being implemented is if landowners groups and conservation groups figure out a mutually acceptable plan and present united support for this at the legislature.

 

[BuzzH]

I am not sure what exactly you are implying? That I have a fat wallet?

I'm implying that apr allows public access and has a high tolerance for elk and other wildlife on their property and don't whine to the commission and legislature about that wildlife.

Exactly what I typed.

Many of the landowners crying about elk charge for bull and cow hunting then cry about over objective elk.

I don't care about your wallet.

 

[Gerald Martin]

I think the western side of 700 and eastern side of 410 will benefit greatly from the APR buying the 73 ranch

I 100% agree.

 

[BuzzH]

I have. mtmuley

Yeah you drew a year too early. They had just acquired the place you wanted to hunt and had not set up a management plan on hunting and access.

How dare they get the horse in front of the cart and develop a management plan.

You could hunt lots of other apr land when you drew, however.

 

[Dakotakid]

Many of the landowners crying about elk charge for bull and cow hunting then cry about over objective elk.

Is this a generalized attack or specific to the landowners of district 410 that we are discussing?

 

[BuzzH]

Is this a generalized attack or specific to the landowners of district 410 that we are discussing?

The truth isn't an attack, generalized or unit specific.

 

[mtmuley]

Yeah you drew a year too early. They had just acquired the place you wanted to hunt and had not set up a management plan on hunting and access.

How dare they get the horse in front of the cart and develop a management plan.

You could hunt lots of other apr land when you drew, however.

Yeah. What the Hell. Their management plan was big bulls were on the property. So, no hunting. Bet they let anyone in now. mtmuley

 

[Gerald Martin]

Because if sportsman continue to abuse the landowners that support public access and cause the ranch to be sold to a billionaire, sportsman lose.

Not sure why sportsman continue to trash landowners, especially the ones willing to support sportsman.

How are sportsmen abusing landowners? By telling them the truth that the management policies that FWP has implemented in response to their complaints aren’t working, are harming the resource and other shareholders interests and we aren’t going to support a continuation of doubling down on the same old thing while expecting different results?

If that’s abuse and landowners completely invested in that perception of belief go bankrupt and sell out to billionaires, that’s on them, not sportsmen.

Like it or hate it. Landowners are one component of the wildlife management equation, not the sum total. They deserve consideration, support and appreciation, but they don’t get to have their concerns addressed without consideration of other shareholders.

 

[BuzzH]

Because if sportsman continue to abuse the landowners that support public access and cause the ranch to be sold to a billionaire, sportsman lose.

Not sure why sportsman continue to trash landowners, especially the ones willing to support sportsman.

I couldn't give a shit less what they do with their property or if they allow access or not.

But when it comes to elk offer them the tools they need via private land only cow permits and the phone numbers of all the people holding those tags

Their choice, they have the ability to control elk or not. Live with your choice and don't complain about elk.

I offered to kill a cow on my first breaks bull permit on a private place that the landowners told me cost them $5k a year in alleged fencing repairs. Complained the fwp wasn't doing enough to control elk.

The response I got?

"Oh we can't let you in to kill a cow, we have paying clients coming in this weekend".

So I whacked a bull the last day of the hunt on public, and I'm hopeful the cow I would have shot on their land tore down a mile of fence on their property. Hopefully the calves that cow has had since then are also fence busters.

I have zero sympathy for those types.

 

[BuzzH]

Yeah. What the Hell. Their management plan was big bulls were on the property. So, no hunting. Bet they let anyone in now. mtmuley

They let my Dad hunt...

 

[mtmuley]

They let my Dad hunt...

In 2018? mtmuley

 

[Dakotakid]

I couldn't give a shit less what they do with their property or if they allow access or not.

But when it comes to elk offer them the tools they need via private land only cow permits and the phone numbers of all the people holding those tags

Their choice, they have the ability to control elk or not. Live with your choice and don't complain about elk.

I offered to kill a cow on my first breaks bull permit on a private place that the landowners told me cost them $5k a year in alleged fencing repairs. Complained the fwp wasn't doing enough to control elk.

The response I got?

"Oh we can't let you in to kill a cow, we have paying clients coming in this weekend".

So I whacked a bull the last day of the hunt, and I'm hopeful the cow I would have shot tore down a mile of fence on their property.

I have zero sympathy for those types.

That is incredibly short sighted and counter productive to sportsman interests. You can reject efforts to try to protect what sportsman have created but don’t shit on others efforts.