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[Shed God]

Honest question. Unit 300 had junk. Trash still does just young.

But some areas I no longer c the same characteristics

 

[Carnage2011]

Where would they have went?

You can shoot genetics out of an area. It’s the exact reason why APR’s are bad if implemented for very long.

 

[antlerradar]

The habitat in that area must have changed significantly for the worse, my condolences

It all went up in smoke. From everything I have heard about the effect of fire there should be a booner on every ridge. Reality is I could count the number of 170 bucks I have seen since the fire on one hand and all but one of those was close to 20 years ago. I don't remember the early 90's as exceptionally good years.

 

[antlerradar]

Are the genetics still there Antler radar.

I would like to think so, but the number of bucks that live past two is very small, the number that make it past three is close to zero, so it is hard to tell.

 

[antlerradar]

Killed off to a point 1991 or what ever along time ago. Bucks travel a ways in the rut. They rut low. Mostly.

The buck with the large browtine was killed five miles as the crow flies from where I found the antler. Hunter was driving down a two track and the buck and some does ran down a canyon. Hunter makes a big loop on the ridge and the buck comes right to him. The first time the hunter was ever there. The other buck was killed about as far off of the road as you can get and two miles from where I found the antler. Hunter is a quality hunter that puts in time and effort. He has taken some other great bucks since and in the past few years, but now I think he mostly hunts the Rez.

Back in the 90's there was still good numbers of does on the Custer. Bucks did not have to go to private to get laid. Today may of the bucks that live where these two bucks lived are on private during the rut.

 

[TheTone]

I would like to think so, but the number of bucks that live past two is very small, the number that make it past three is close to zero, so it is hard to tell.

This is exactly why I’d say the genetics might be and probably are still be there. If people are killing the heck out of forks and 2 year olds it’s probably hard to tell what those bucks had for potential. Might be killing future studs or lifelong dinks, it’s hard to say. That’s not even factoring in what the does are contributing and whether good genetic does are being shot or not.

You gotta give them time and habitat if you want to see what they can become

 

[antlerradar]

You gotta give them time and habitat if you want to see what they can become

They have the habitat, there time in earth is short. Last summer I went to the glassing point where the buck with the big browtines lived. Back in the 90's I would often see fifteen to twenty bucks from that point and a half dozen or better would be at least four years old. Last summer I saw seven, one was a nice 155, likely a three year old, two small three points and the rest were forks. One of the three point might have been an older buck.

 

[rogerthat]

They have the habitat, there time in earth is short. Last summer I went to the glassing point where the buck with the big browtines lived. Back in the 90's I would often see fifteen to twenty bucks from that point and a half dozen or better would be at least four years old. Last summer I saw seven, one was a nice 155, likely a three year old, two small three points and the rest were forks. One of the three point might have been an older buck.

This. The bucks just aren’t getting the age especially the best ones.