I could be wrong here so open to corrections, but I think the WSA designation pretty much precludes (responsible) logging or forest management, which many would argue creates healthier forests that are less susceptible to wildfires. The motorized restrictions also make fighting fires tougher as well as really limiting search-and-rescue operations.
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I don't think anyone here would disagree with the core of what you're saying. Yes, most of our "dumb years" aren't spent committing or being involved in a federal crime or investigation. Aside from what's out there in the media on this issue, and what's truth or partisan drivel spread by the opposing party, I think what's difficult to navigate for most of the loudest people is the partisan aspect itself."... We all did/do stupid chit when we're young. ..."
Yeppers! I'm no exception.
MY mistakes, normally, were lapses in judgement when in an altered state.
A lot of that is just youthful exuberance.
Ms. Stone-Manning's actions were sober, vicious and intentional. A bit more than just exuberance.
Ok, maybe (?) not an appointment killer, but I'd say it requires a deeper scrutiny than, "Oh, she was just a college kid spreading g her wings."
These old roads have been here for decades. If you are being responsible and staying on the roads I don't see how that affects wildlife or nature. My old 84 cj7 in 4 low, first gear slowly enjoying the challenges of driving these roads isn't any more of an impact than 20 ponies in a group riding on that same road. Practice leave no trace to the best of your abilities and it's not an issue. I will concede though that with the advent of razor type machines it has added some issues. A lot of those using those machines don't seem to use good judgment at times and I'd suppose you could use the old saying, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch or what have you. Being able to take my family and friends camping in these remote areas has been rewarding. Every year these areas continue to get blocked more and more and it needs to stop.
They stopped that at A&M many years back. One Aggie got killed building the "pyre".
Yeah I can see that. And don’t get me wrong, I love that too. But few people have horses, and probably equally as few are in shape enough to use their two legs to get into some of these areas, but everyone has a truck, ATV or razor-like thinger, Jeep, etc. so the impact on these more remote wilderness study areas is less than it would otherwise be. As for me, I have neither horses nor an ATV…..
When asked verbally and on written applications (in past positions and now with this appointment) if she had ever been the subject of a federal investigation, her answer has been “no”. That’s called lying to me. Lying to advance herself. So Democrat or conservative makes no difference to me, lying to the people who you will serve does matter to me. That automatically raises questions about motives and integrity. And as alluded to before, someone has to be a little koo-koo and radical to have any part of what she had a part in. But saying that she “learned and moved on from that” seems to be silly if she is willing to lie about it still today.
I prefer to hunt where atvs or anything that has an engine are not allowed. Some of the older hunters I know might prefer that but are not really capable. I see one downside is if all we have are backcountry hunting spots you eliminate a certain number of hunters and I feel in Idaho we have plenty of backcountry wilderness. Enough that I wont ever cover it all in my lifetime. I think there is other restrictions that can come along with it( like mentioned) which would include responsible logging/forest management and lack of roads to fight fires. I think its any activity that would reduce the wilderness aspect of the study area would/could be eliminated. My dad is now one of those "older" hunters who grew up hunting wilderness on horseback but that doesn't work for him anymore. When I hunt with my son we dont always have time to hike way in for a week. I have taken others that just dont hunt that way and I could not have taken my kids on wilderness hunts when they were young. Eventually, I will hopefully live long enough to be one of the old guys. Just because I want to hunt a certain way ,at this point in my life, doesn't mean I want the majority of our public land converted to "my" preferences. That's the disadvantage I see.
So lying to the American people is where you draw the line?
" . My concern... this was for the intentional spike use to harm loggers.
Earthfirst is not to be discounted as just kids. They advocate for property destruction and violence. They even have a list of former members who have flipped and their potential whereabouts on their public webpage. Classy organizatization.
Holy hell, you have no idea…
nothing to be proud of ha ha. And I appreciate giving people a pass, all of mine we’re definitely learning experience. With that said spiking trees to intentionally harm a logger is way different. Takes intent and sober planning to attempt to harm someone that way. Usually a person just trying to make a living or support a family. None of my “great ideas” were thought up when I was young and sober. When do we hold these groups accountable for their actions which contributed to our current wildfires? I’m not saying they are the cause but they are way worse due to an inability to do any reasonable forest management. I remember the 80’s in northwest Montana very well and they were stopping logging on beetle infested logging areas. Spiking trees, living in tress, chaining themselves to trees. When do they get held accountable? Never! we appoint them to be heads of our public lands.
