WV Hunter
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Automatic Weapons huh? Why do reporters have to lie?
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Just to add, I'm pretty sure surprise isn't allowed by the laws/rules regarding this. I'm pretty positive that public notice has to be given prior to starting an impoundment. I think at minimum in a local paper and probably in the Federal Register as well.So I would ask you again, what should they have done differently?
Obviously, surprise is always advantageous. That's why search warrants are served at 0200 hours on a dangerous raid.
When you are rounding up 900 head of cattle it's pretty impossible to have the element of surprise or being in any way covert about it. At that point, you may as well make all of your plans and go in hoping for the best.
Obviously you have military experience. You know full well what a shit sandwhich is, and know that sometimes you have to buck up and accept the fact that there is risk involved. If the government isn't willing to enforce a court order then what the hell good are they?
If the military established a no-fly zone and never enforced it, but kept warning foreign planes they shouldn't be there, how effective would it be? Eventually you'll have to take care of business the old fashioned way.
If you have some other solution, I'm all ears and would love to hear it.
The BLM did not want to release the cattle back but they had no choice. The BLM contacted several large stock holding facilities in several different states to take the cattle and they were turned down on all accounts.
Time to shoot the trespassing cattle from a helicopter. Bundy can sue the government for damages. We'll consider settling 20 years from now.
Time to shoot the trespassing cattle from a helicopter. Bundy can sue the government for damages. We'll consider settling 20 years from now.
Since March 1, 2013, Neil Kornze has been leading the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as the agency's Principal Deputy Director. Kornze oversees the agency's management of more than 245 million acres of public land nationwide.
Prior to serving in his current role, Kornze was the BLM's Acting Deputy Director for Policy and Programs starting in October 2011. Kornze joined the organization in January 2011 as a Senior Advisor to the Director. In these roles, he worked on a broad range of issues, including renewable and conventional energy development, transmission siting, and conservation policy.
Kornze was a key player in the development of the Western Solar Plan and the agency's successful authorization of more than 10,000 megawatts of renewable energy, surpassing a congressionally-established goal 3 years ahead of schedule. He has also been active in tribal consultation, especially as it relates to oil and gas and renewable energy development.
Before coming to the BLM, Kornze worked as a Senior Policy Advisor to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. In his work for Senator Reid, which spanned from early 2003 to early 2011, he worked on a variety of public lands issues, including renewable energy development, mining, water, outdoor recreation, rural development, and wildlife. Kornze has also served as an international election observer in Macedonia, the Ukraine, and Georgia, and he is co-author of an article in “The Oxford Companion to American Law.”
Raised in Elko, Nevada, Kornze is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate with a degree in Politics from Whitman College in Walla Walla, Washington. He earned a master’s degree in International Relations at the London School of Economics.
If you have some other solution, I'm all ears and would love to hear it.
Reid's playa;
I have no issue with them enforcing it, but was going out and seizing cattle the smart move? Why not deal with Cliven Bundy; who is the real problem? I am guessing that if the government wanted to they could have criminalized him for a number of reasons throughout the years, if for nothing else terroristic threats, and then go arrest the guy.
The problem becomes when you go out and face off with these crazies, and you don't really have a good plan to solve the problem. The BLM agents didn't follow through because they weren't ready to kill people over cows, and my argument would be that they shouldn't go out there and posture like they are willing to. You can say they had all of that stuff for self defense, but what that really means is that, I am willing to kill you with my M4 carbine over where your cows are. Once you decide to walk around with body armor and an M4 carbine, you better be damned serious about what you are willing to do.
To me this sounds like something the BLM should have worked with the IRS and had the debt levied against Bundy's taxes. I am pretty sure those D.C. lawyers could figure it out, and if he refuses to pay arrest him. I guess I just can't understand why they would go out there if they know they are going to be threatened with deadly force just to seize some cows. If you are going to go in and do something like this, then do your homework, get a warrant, and send in the marshals. It will be super easy to deal with the cows after that, plus you will have gotten rid of the real problem.
I really feel sorry for the armed professionals that went out there and risked there lives, under leadership that didn't know what the hell they were doing.
So if the real issue here is Cliven Bundy has been trespassing for 20 years, and owes 1.1 Million dollars to the Federal Government, why did they only go out to seize his cows? Why haven't they arrested him? He is a criminal, correct?
So if the real issue here is Cliven Bundy has been trespassing for 20 years, and owes 1.1 Million dollars to the Federal Government, why did they only go out to seize his cows? Why haven't they arrested him? He is a criminal, correct?
They are following the Judge's orders.
The judge ordered Mr. Bundy's cows off the land.
It is my guess that the BLM underestimated the number of wingnut militia members that would enter the fray, and when the realized the imminent potential for gunfire decided to regroup and reassess. I imagine the next visit will involve the FBI and US Marshalls.
I think if they had arrested Bundy prior to the roundup a violent outcome was guaranteed. I don't see ti so much as an attempt to intimidate, rather they were bringing what they thought were adequate resources.