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Montana gov to Idaho: Ban game farms
By CHRISTOPHER SMITH
Associated Press writer Saturday, October 28, 2006



BOISE, Idaho -- Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer has joined Wyoming's chief executive in calling on Idaho lawmakers to ban wild game farms and private hunting reserves to protect the health of Yellowstone's wild elk herds.

"In Montana, we said it's a bad idea to pen up a bunch of elk, feed them oats and have fat bankers from New York City shoot them while they've got their heads in a grain bucket," Schweitzer said Wednesday during an interview in the Boise offices of The Associated Press.

In Idaho to campaign for Democrats running for governor and Congress, Schweitzer said he wholeheartedly agreed with Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal's Oct. 5 letter to Idaho Gov. Jim Risch asking him to urge lawmakers to outlaw domestic elk breeding.

"You can quote the Montana governor as saying, 'Dang tootin',"' Schweitzer said. "For people who don't know, that means the affirmative."
Risch signed an executive order Sept. 7 ordering the "immediate destruction" of an estimated 160 domesticated elk that escaped in August from the Chief Joseph private hunting reserve operated by veterinarian Rex Rammell near Ashton, not far from the Wyoming border and Yellowstone National Park. The park covers portions of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

While special hunts by state agents and the public had killed 33 of the escaped elk as of Wednesday, Idaho Fish and Game biologists believe the domesticated animals already have crossbred with wild herds.

Elk farming and "shooter bull" hunting operations are banned in Wyoming and Montana. Schweitzer said Idaho should follow suit to protect the three states' shared resource of Yellowstone's wild elk herds.

"You've got a bad actor who's not very good at fixing a fence, your state agencies fined him $750,000, and the folks supposed to represent the people of Idaho, your Legislature, said 'Oh, let's let him off the hook,"' said Schweitzer, referring to a 2002 vote by Idaho lawmakers to forgive fines against Rammell imposed by the Idaho Department of Agriculture for numerous violations. "Now, you've got a problem, but it's our problem too because the Yellowstone Basin is interconnected."

Leaders of Idaho's elk farming and hunting reserve industry are challenging the claims by Schweitzer and Freudenthal that banning domestic elk pens would protect the health of wild herds.

"It concerns me these governors come out and say this when they have so much disease in their own wild herds," said Kent Bagley, a board member of the Idaho Elk Breeders Association who operates the Teton Mountain Ranch elk farm in Victor, near Yellowstone National Park. "Look how many counties in Wyoming have found chronic wasting disease in their wild elk, and yet they have no game farms. It's flawed logic."

Chronic wasting disease has been detected in elk in southeastern Wyoming, and authorities believe it is spreading in that state's wildlife population. Some herds of wild elk in Montana have tested positive for brucellosis, a disease that can cause elk -- and domestic cows -- to abort.

Brucellosis also has been found in wild elk in eastern Idaho, but there has not been a case of chronic wasting disease among wild deer or elk in Idaho, according to the state Department of Fish and Game.

Bagley said elk breeders plan to lobby Idaho legislators in the 2007 session to reject efforts to outlaw their game farms and private hunting parks. Risch supports a ban, but his term expires before the Legislature convenes in January. The two major party candidates running for Idaho governor, Republican Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter and Democrat Jerry Brady, have said they would sign legislation prohibiting the domestic elk businesses in Idaho.

"It's going to be a constant battle," said Bagley. "We are under pretty strict regulation now and are just trying to maintain our lifestyle."
 
Hell 280, why not simply annex Idaho as a province of Montana or Wyoming....no more private property rights....problem solved.
 
or annex it as a province of Texas, high fence the whole state and Texans could finally kill elk
 
noharleyyet said:
Hell 280, why not simply annex Idaho as a province of Montana or Wyoming....no more private property rights....problem solved.

What are you saying harley...that landowners should have the right to pollute surrounding areas, whether it be air pollution, water pollution, or in this case pollution of the native elk herds? :confused:
 
I don't think they need to get ride of elk farms in Idaho, but they should definatly ban hunting on these farms. If someone wants to make money selling antlers to asians, I'm all for it, but paying to shot a domesticated pet? If they are going to keep them they might as well let the people shoot their dogs, cats, sheep, goats, cows, etc.
 
Washington Hunter said:
What are you saying harley...that landowners should have the right to pollute surrounding areas, whether it be air pollution, water pollution, or in this case pollution of the native elk herds? :confused:

Nah WH, just bustin' 280's chops with an admittedly cheap shot. I actually share his opinion on high fence canned crap hunts...although I wouldn't mind seeing a high fence around his keyboard sometimes.

Good post 280.....finally.
 
I don't think they need to get ride of elk farms in Idaho, but they should definatly ban hunting on these farms. If someone wants to make money selling antlers to asians, I'm all for it, but paying to shot a domesticated pet?

you want to keep game farms but dictate what they can do on them?
rediculous point of view.

If they are going to keep them they might as well let the people shoot their dogs, cats, sheep, goats, cows, etc.

absolutley.
the way it should be.
 
just what I have been waiting for, noharley to approve one of my posts,,,,,YES, finally,,, giddy the hell up!
 
JB said:
you want to keep game farms but dictate what they can do on them?
rediculous point of view.


Do people pay money to shot domesticated beef cows? Not that I know of, so how is a domestic Elk any different from a domestic cow? If people want to make a living raising domestic elk for human consumption, why should they not be allowed too? But for people to pay money to shot a domestic animal of any kind is ridciulous. Any domestic animal "hunting" should be illegal in any state.
 
i was surprised he approved a "cut and paste" article.
not like you expressed a thought of your own.
i predict he will confiscate the attaboy after further review.
 
Do people pay money to shot domesticated beef cows?

im sure they do, i think ive seen pictures posted :D.

Any domestic animal "hunting" should be illegal in any state.
why?
 
Turbo said:
Any domestic animal "hunting" should be illegal in any state.

I'd have to ask the same question JB asked....why? I'm completely against any type of game farm "hunting," but if somebody wants to pay to shoot domestic cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, whatever...then why not? I say let's get rid of the game farm industry totally, and if they want to continue making a living by selling domestic animal "hunts," then let them do so with regular domestic farm animals, not any of our native wildlife species. |oo
 
280 said:
just what I have been waiting for, noharley to approve one of my posts,,,,,YES, finally,,, giddy the hell up!

It's still a losing crusade 280...the right money will have us all renting sunlight one of these days. Just be thankful you western boys can still buy an elk tag for the price of a couple of cases of cheap beer then head for your nearest NATIONAL FOREST trailhead. Sincerely wish I could do the same.

....giddy the hell up???? I'm not feeling the love here 7 mil.:D...should have known you were incapable of two in a row.
 
You guys don't get it yet. We don't have native, wild free ranging beef. We have elk, their native to the land and captive breeding is a direct threat to their existance and well as to our hunting heratige. If captive Beef get out the only other beef they'll contaminate will be the next ranch down the lane.
Who cares if a angus breeds a with Herford.

The hunting or shooting of livestock in penned situations gives the non hunting public the misrepresentation of what hunting is. They view this with distane and make a opionion that hunting should be banned as a whole. They the 80% of the public that hasen't made up their minds as how they feel about hunting don't like to see animals that don't have a chance to escape.
let alone the fact that the animals are usually not overly wild, and easy to kill.

As far a breeding them for the asians getting horny goes they've found viagra and the price for velvet horns has dropped significantly. Without shooter operations the game farm industry will go away. Good riddens.
 
"The Rich....who are content to buy what they not have the skill to get by their own exertions, these are the real enemies of the game"


Theodore Roosevelt's Prinicples of the Hunt
 
This is merely the difference between being a hunter and being a shooter.most of the farms are for shooters.I have an aquaintance that recently asked me to go hunting with him.I didn't go because he is a shooter.He will take almost any shot,ethical or not and does not follow up if he doesn't see an animal go down.He said he is going on one of those closed fence hunts next year.No Thank's.And note he is an aquaintance only,not a friend.
 
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