Background checks on ammo purchases.

[noharleyyet]

Don't be so sure that the continual attacks on the 1st amendment & free press are going to save the GOP from their rightful fate.

Ben, the press is only 'free' for your 'identity'...24/7...no charge

 

[JLS]

Some pretty good suggestions buried in teh 30 pages of Lawnboys thread. Bottom line, make it a hard target. But everyone would rather argue about guns.

That didn’t even come close to answering the questions.

 

[CampRipleyLF]

I could care less if they give me a background check for ammo.... In Minnesota, at least my experience, it takes a whole 5 minutes. What would suck is a limit on shotgun shells, especially when I buy 500 at a time for the spring conservation hunt. If it was a limit for centerfire rifles I could care less, I have no application for 500 rounds but maybe some of you competition guys might....

 

[Tradewind]

That didn’t even come close to answering the questions.

Then you didn't read it all.
So it goes.
Here is a suggestion, and merely that:
Start a new thread with only realistic suggestions of what you would do, right now, to put a
stop to the school shooting.
Save the rants, just suggestions. i.e put a retired politician at each entrance to the schools, metal detectors, etc

Now, back to ordering more ammo........

 

[cgarner]

 

[JLS]

Then you didn't read it all.
So it goes.
Here is a suggestion, and merely that:
Start a new thread with only realistic suggestions of what you would do, right now, to put a
stop to the school shooting.
Save the rants, just suggestions. i.e put a retired politician at each entrance to the schools, metal detectors, etc

Now, back to ordering more ammo........

No, I didn’t go back and read 30 pages. I figured anyone who makes a statement like this

These shootings would have been solved long ago cept political correctness won't let it.

Would be able to easily provide a summary and/or explanation of said statement. I must be mistaken.

Carry on.

 

[Doublecluck]

I could care less if they give me a background check for ammo.... In Minnesota, at least my experience, it takes a whole 5 minutes. What would suck is a limit on shotgun shells, especially when I buy 500 at a time for the spring conservation hunt. If it was a limit for centerfire rifles I could care less, I have no application for 500 rounds but maybe some of you competition guys might....

This attitude will be the demise of the American sportsman... have watched it all my life.. when they wanted to close vast expanses of the Pacific Ocean to sport fishing, only people that cared were sport fisherman. Stop bear hunting with dogs, eeeh who cares I don’t bear hunt with dogs.. stop coyote hunting, eeeh I don’t coyote hunt who cares... lead free bullets, bow hunters didn’t care.. trapping, hell knowbody traps totally unethical, easy low hanging fruit.. semi autos, who cares I shoot a bolt... who needs a scope? Who needs a rifle? Semi auto handguns, nope don’t care much.. 500 rds for a snow goose hunt, what do I care I am just a eletist fly fisherman... etc etc... anti gun, anti hunters know this, that’s the stratagy, it’s easy for them , they play us against ourselves. same way the government and the media got everyone convinced that its a Democrat, Republican, left vs right.. all the same people, big business, big government, public education, public healthcare, whatever, it’s all about money and control of people.. people are hard to control when they are armed..

 

[Tradewind]

No, I didn’t go back and read 30 pages. I figured anyone who makes a statement like this



Would be able to easily provide a summary and/or explanation of said statement. I must be mistaken.

Carry on.

As official summarizer, I shall repost the summerization:hump:

From post #39
Some pretty good suggestions buried in teh 30 pages of Lawnboys thread. Bottom line, make it a hard target. But everyone would rather argue about guns.

 

[JLS]

As official summarizer, I shall repost the summerization:hump:

From post #39
Some pretty good suggestions buried in teh 30 pages of Lawnboys thread. Bottom line, make it a hard target. But everyone would rather argue about guns.

I asked my initial question because I was genuinely interested in your ideas and what you were referring to when you stated this

These shootings would have been solved long ago cept political correctness won't let it.

At least now you have confirmed for me I’m wasting my time with any further inquiries. What a stimulating interchange....

 

[Keeptrying]

There is an interesting irony in that those who rally behind removing guns from society are the same ones behind the government taking what I earn over the barrel of a gun.

I wonder if there is a socialist cheat sheet that gets printed out and referred to during conversations. The same talking points are brought up constantly. You were already paying for the uninsured, your rates increasing 3-fold was just a coincidence. I'm fine with hunting rifles, but no one needs........ Evil drug companies created the opiod crisis, and that's what happens in a free market. On and on and on and on. The same nonsense year after year.

Lately my favorite has been how wise the average 16 year old is. They can't drink, smoke, or buy a firearm, but holy shit everything they say is wise beyond their years. The day policy decisions are based upon what a bunch of children say we are sunk for sure, but they are the tool of the moment, and there are some among us who I'm sure sing their praises.

 

[Keeptrying]

I asked my initial question because I was genuinely interested in your ideas and what you were referring to when you stated this



At least now you have confirmed for me I’m wasting my time with any further inquiries. What a stimulating interchange....

You're being purposely obtuse. You know exactly what he is saying. Harden the target to take away the opportunity. Someone will use a truck full of fuel and fertilizer, and then you will want to take away trucks and freedom to buy gasoline. Or machetes. Or baseball bats.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Single payer means more money in your pocket. Your basic health needs are met through collective purchasing & negotiating (that's the free market at work, btw). You can still purchase supplemental insurance for your viagra and boob jobs if you want it, like Canada. There is no example of a purely capitalistic healthcare regime. None. It doesn't exist. If it did exist, we'd not have literally every other industrialized nation going to some form of nationalized healthcare. It's cheaper, it saves taxpayers much more money, and it helps ensure people like Nicola Cruz get the help they need because we eliminate the biggest single factor that people have with getting healthcare, mental or otherwise - COST.

I've got team members in US, Canada and various western European locales. I have team members go back and forth between jurisdictions regularly. I deal with the real world cost of service and type of service every day. It is very simple, Europe and Canada save money, not because of bargaining power or efficiency (which shouldn't be surprising as there are very few examples of government programs being efficient) but because they ration care. (I am not talking about death squads). I have a team member's wife who had to wait 8 months (for a new fiscal year) to get a simple back/disc surgery you can get the same week in the US. She couldn't work or care for her kids for 6 of those months and her husband had to take family leave - the overall societal, economic and human costs were huge. All my non-US team members think the US is backwards on this issue -- until a few of them get to spend a year here and they are really pissed when they get back home.

This is of course anecdotal, but it is none the less a real experience -- and the nature of the savings, rationing and denial of modern improvements, are how Europe saves costs -- and maybe that is where we need to go before the country goes bankrupt. But let's be honest about it -- you will not get the same type of care under a Euro-system -- or, "you will definitely not get to keep your plan".

 

[JLS]

You're being purposely obtuse. You know exactly what he is saying. Harden the target to take away the opportunity. Someone will use a truck full of fuel and fertilizer, and then you will want to take away trucks and freedom to buy gasoline. Or machetes. Or baseball bats.

No, I am not being obtuse. It’s quite arrogant and ignorant of you to assign motives to my questions.

I asked because I wanted to know his thoughts. Please refrain from telling me what my intentions are. Speaking solely for myself, if I made a definitive statement and when asked to explain it I referred someone to a 30 page thread and told them they would find their answers there, it would indicate I really didn’t know what I’m talking about and/or I had no idea how to articulate my thoughts in relation to the question.

Obviously some people are not mature enough to handle anything more than superficial conversation.

Peace out.

 

[Dave N]

3, 2...

 

[Ben Lamb]

Barely made it past "health care is a human right", my progressive revolutionary.
Socialized medicine. Indeed.
The myth of our Canadian friends having to wait for health care. Nicely glossed over. I have had friends of mine come over the border
for MRI's (to find internal bleeding) because they were told the wait was 9 month to get in.
Didn't make it to the part about payment. I was paying "my fair share", or so I thought. Then YOUR savior decided my "fair share" was about 3 times more. Making me pay for people who
who make poor choices regarding their health and upkeep will never fly with me, my egalitarian radical.
We will have to agree to disagree.
At least until you try to see it my way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyclqo_AV2M

My good reactionary friend,

No system is perfect. Yet Canadians approve of their system. Even in polls that skew more conservative, support for single payer in Canada & Great Britian is still well over 50%. I have no doubts your friends had issues, but it appears they are the outlier and not the norm. What Americans have now is not sustainable, and it leads to economic disparity that helps ensure future gun violence and poverty. If we truly want to solve the issue of gun violence, then again I say, let's look at the root cause and fix our society so it can once again prosper.

Wages have been unable to keep up with the cost of living, and our politicians strive for less protection of the working class in order to make the bosses richer.

Healthcare costs are skyrocketing, and our congress works to make it more expensive creating financial crisis's when people get easily curable diseases.

We need tradespeople, but we don't want to be funding their education and helping lift them out of poverty and bringing them up in to the middle class.

I've owned my own S Corp for 6 years now. I pay wages, taxes and have my overhead. I love profit. I want more of it. Moving to single payer helps address all of the above, but it also means we have to be willing to find the best way forward to put it in place. I pay $650 a month for rock bottom coverage for my 2 employees. I'd rather pay an extra $500 a month and cut out that insurance payment. At the end of the year, I have enough for a snooty 16 gauge. That's extra profit.

 

[Ben Lamb]

I've got team members in US, Canada and various western European locales. I have team members go back and forth between jurisdictions regularly. I deal with the real world cost of service and type of service every day. It is very simple, Europe and Canada save money, not because of bargaining power or efficiency (which shouldn't be surprising as there are very few examples of government programs being efficient) but because they ration care. (I am not talking about death squads). I have a team member's wife who had to wait 8 months (for a new fiscal year) to get a simple back/disc surgery you can get the same week in the US. She couldn't work or care for her kids for 6 of those months and her husband had to take family leave - the overall societal, economic and human costs were huge. All my non-US team members think the US is backwards on this issue -- until a few of them get to spend a year here and they are really pissed when they get back home.

This is of course anecdotal, but it is none the less a real experience -- and the nature of the savings, rationing and denial of modern improvements, are how Europe saves costs -- and maybe that is where we need to go before the country goes bankrupt. But let's be honest about it -- you will not get the same type of care under a Euro-system -- or, "you will definitely not get to keep your plan".

We absolutely ration health care and we absolutely have extended wait times in the U.S. For crying out loud - My dentist has a 4 month wait list. We also have a healthcare system that causes us to hold community bake sales in order to save a kid's life. We are the richest nation in the history of the world, and yet we treat our citizens like servants.

To think that the country who put a person on the moon, saved the world from facism and invented the tide pod challenge can't put together a system of healthcare that saves the indivudial money while getting a better return on our tax dollars ignores what we can do as a nation.

And again, I'm talking about ending a culture that creates the situations where gun violence occurs. Simply arming up schools ignores the root of the problem, and I support having armed personnel/resource officers at schools.

 

[VikingsGuy]

We absolutely ration health care and we absolutely have extended wait times in the U.S. For crying out loud - My dentist has a 4 month wait list.

Not even close to comparable - you compare convenience timing vs major medical. I am guessing that if you cracked a tooth and were in agonizing pain, your dentist would fit you in within 24 hours or would find you another dentist who could.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Not even close to comparable - you compare convenience timing vs major medical. I am guessing that if you cracked a tooth and were in agonizing pain, your dentist would fit you in within 24 hours or would find you another dentist who could.

And charge a premium for it.

We are bankrupting families with our healthcare system, putting them in distress. We ration healthcare in a variety of forms, mine was a simple one. Insurance companies ration healthcare based on cost & liklihood of success. Hospitals ration based on ability to pay, etc. We fool ourselves to think emergency services are different here than any where else.

And none of this goes back to the original point that giving people a better chance to get the meds they need and de-stigmatize mental health would help end violence like we've seen recently.

 

[noharleyyet]

3, 2...

Why....

 

[hank4elk]

No problemo. In the next year I will pick up a life time supply.
I can pass a background check.Hell I can pass a life-scan.
Took me all of 10 minutes to clear my pistol purchase 5 yrs ago.
If it was a linked system as it SHOULD be,it should take no more time than your card clearing the bank.
I think there are a bunch of on the edge/fringe not quite legal folks worried. Same folks who have kept the systems from linking,only to blame a faulty system.
Now your comparing the inconvenience & on going criminal enterprise of the Healthcare/Insurance scam/rip off to waiting for your ammo to clear huh............
They're coming for you. Hide. LMFAOL!!!!