brian flatlander
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All kinds of it on gunbroker if you want to pay.
2023Ammo Shortages, Here We Go Again
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belshawelk
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Not 160 GR accubond. Lots of 175 Accubond LR, which should not be used. Very rare the 160 come up.
QuazyQuinton
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Somebody in Salem is frantically trying to figure out which OLCC employee goes by the name @belshawelk .
Edit to add: Local politics joke, if you're not from Oregon.
Laelkhunter
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Ammo, primers, and powder are much cheaper. AND you can't throw eggs at the Zombies when they attack.
belshawelk
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Oh I get it. Moved from O.C. last year. Had to get out of there. In eastern Oregon/Idaho now.
VSTO owns Federal.
Derp on me. I misread that as you saying Nosler was purposefully holding back.
Nevertheless, could you point to that language of deliberate scarcity in a recent Vista earnings report? I'm flipping through 2021 and 2022 now and not seeing it.
In the 2021 report they wrote about future supply constraints because of Winchester acquiring the Lake City plant: "We rely on an outside supplier for certain of our ammunition products [SIC]. Beginning on October 1, 2020, management and control of the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant transitioned to Olin Corporation’s Winchester business, which is a competitor of our ammunition business. After expiration of our current two-year supply agreement with Winchester, we may not be able to purchase Lake City Army Ammunition Plant products from Winchester on favorable terms or at all, and we may not be able to purchase ammunition products to replace the products we currently purchase from the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant from another supplier. If we fail to maintain an adequate supply of such ammunition products, our business, financial condition or results of operations could be adversely affected. (2021, pg. 12)
But, in the 2022 report they seem pretty confident on their ability to meet increased demand, stating "We believe we are well-positioned to succeed and capitalize on this demand given our scale and global operating platform, which we believe is particularly difficult to replicate in the highly regulated and capital-intensive ammunition manufacturing sector." (2022, pg. 30)
In the 2022 report they also reference some damage caused by Winchester's acquisition of the Lake City plant: "The fiscal year 2022 period includes sales from Remington and HEVI-Shot, which we acquired in the third and fourth quarters, respectively, of the prior fiscal year. The increase also reflects improved pricing and strong demand in the market across our Sporting Products line, and production increases over the prior year at all of our facilities. These increases were partially offset by a reduction of sales from small rifle ammunition produced at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant." (2022, pg. 31)
But, it looks like they plan to offset the loss of their outsourcing production contract at Lake City with their acquisition of Remington and the Lonoke manufacturing plant: "During the third quarter of fiscal year 2021, we acquired certain assets related to Remington Outdoor Company, Inc.’s ("Remington") ammunition and accessories businesses, including Remington's ammunition manufacturing facility in Lonoke, Arkansas and related intellectual property." (2022, Pg. 57)
The TLDR seems to be that current scarcity could be a result of their losing the plant where they had a contract to outsource manufacturing at Lake City. But that capabilities could be getting ramped up as they bring Remington's Lonoke plant online? Yes, they do admit to increasing prices and passing that off to their shareholders in the form of dividends. But, no mention of creating artificial scarcity to justify raising those prices.
It's not like it was here, but is picking back up. I think all the stimmy money has been hoovered. They'll have to edge toward a return to volume sales to maintain profits.
Funny meme, but I’d still like to see a citation as to your prior claim about Federal’s parent company creating artificial scarcity.
brian flatlander
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Why shouldn't it be used? I have a Christenson arms and it shoots great never had a problem.
belshawelk
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Oh it shoots great and accurate. The problem is it doesn't hold up at shorter distances. The .28 and other like it are just to much for the LR version. They need a tougher bullet like the regular Accubond. Shoot an elk at 200 yards and under and the it literally explodes. It happened to me twice before I switched. Both times I hit behind the shoulder. One if hit the ribs it took out a small football size exit would. Shot several since then and either clean exit or found bullet next to hide.
CowboyLeroy
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I think it's got a jacket made out of some high tech tissue paper alloy
brian flatlander
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Short range long range never had a problem
I just found this today
www.outdoorlife.com
Here's What the Ammo Shortage Revealed About the Industry
In some ways the ammo shortage continues. Erratic availability, swinging prices, and limited production capacity challenge the industry.
www.outdoorlife.com
Good article. Explains a lot.I just found this today
Here's What the Ammo Shortage Revealed About the Industry
In some ways the ammo shortage continues. Erratic availability, swinging prices, and limited production capacity challenge the industry.
jryoung
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What plants have been opened? I don't think Expansion has produced a single primer, lots of noise out there that they mislead at best and are frauds at worst.
