And I think vortex has even taken over selling more scopes than leupold has now days. Offer a lot more options to the tacticool crowd. Plus I think you’d have to see how people are using their scopes. Are they setting and forgetting or are they dialing?It's hard to figure out failure rates on the internet. Vortex and Leupold sell a lot of products, some will have issues. What percentage, and how they stack up against the competition, is the data I would like to see.