Wyoming wolf kills

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By CHRIS MERRILL Star-Tribune environment reporter

LANDER -- At least three wolves were killed by Wyoming residents over the weekend, after the animal was removed from the federal endangered species list.

Large numbers of hunters reportedly prowled the state’s newly designated wolf predator area in Sublette County Friday, Saturday and Sunday, locals and outfitters said.

At least two wolves were killed near an elk feedground in the Pinedale area, according to the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Another was killed, also in Sublette County, by a rancher, a local predator board member said.

The Star-Tribune received reports that a fourth wolf was possibly taken, also in Sublette County, but that kill has not yet been confirmed.

All three of the confirmed wolf kills happened in the Cowboy State’s newly designated predator zone for wolves, where the animals can be shot on sight without limits, as long as the time, location and sex of each kill is reported to the Game and Fish Department within 10 days.

Wolves were removed from protection under the federal Endangered Species Act on Friday, at which point the state of Wyoming took over management of the animals inside its borders.

Wolves in the state’s extreme northwest corner are now in the animal’s trophy game zone, and are still afforded some protection. Wolves in the rest of the state are considered predators, similar to coyotes.

Eric Keszler, spokesman for the Game and Fish Department, said the two wolf kills reported so far both happened Friday, about one to two miles west of the Jewett feedground outside of Pinedale. Both were gray-black, one male and one female.

One of the two near the feedground was wearing a tracking collar, said Scott Talbott, the Game and Fish official overseeing the state’s new wolf management program.

One rancher outside the trophy game zone killed a wolf Friday on his private property, said Cat Urbigkit, a member of the Sublette County Predator Board.

The rancher, who wanted to remain anonymous, was having problems with a wolf harassing his livestock, Urbigkit said. The predator board sent USDA Wildlife Services to assist the rancher, but he was able to kill the wolf on his own, she said.

Urbigkit, along with other locals, said there were a lot of hunters out over the weekend in Sublette County looking for wolves. Most of the 30 to 35 wolves outside the trophy game zone live in Sublette County.

“There has been a lot of excitement and interest for hunters in Sublette County,” Urbigkit said. “The predator board has nothing to do with that, but if the hunters are successful in their efforts, then hopefully the predator boards will not be called in on conflicts.”

The Sublette County Predator Board will not hunt wolves, she said, and will only respond when there is a conflict with livestock.

Terry Pollard, co-owner of Bald Mountain Outfitters, said he, too, knows many locals who went out wolf hunting over the weekend. He said most of them came back empty-handed.

“I think they’re finding just what we figured,” Pollard said. “These wolves are an extremely tough animal to hunt. There was a significant amount of hunters out this weekend, and very few of them were taken.”

The problem, however, is that many more wolves might have been killed and authorities don’t know about it yet, said Mike Leahy, the Rocky Mountain regional director of Washington, D.C.-based Defenders of Wildlife.

Because the predator area requirements allow people to wait 10 days before reporting wolf kills, the authorities who most need to know about the impact of the new wolf rules will be largely in the dark for days or even weeks, Leahy said.

“In a shoot-on-sight zone, a large number of the wolves could be killed before Wyoming Game and Fish or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service even knows about it,” Leahy said. “There could be big impacts to the wolf population that go underreported until it’s too late.”

Defenders of Wildlife is part of a coalition of 11 conservation groups that has notified the federal government about its intent to sue over the wolf delisting rule once the requisite 60-day waiting period is up at the end of April.

There are provisions built into the Endangered Species Act that theoretically allow citizens to seek an emergency injunction against a federal delisting decision, should sufficient need arise.

“It is too early to tell, but certainly if this number of wolves was killed in the first weekend, and this pace keeps up, we would certainly consider the emergency provisions,” Leahy said.
 
How did that happen? I thought they'd never be off the list...

Hows the crow A-con?
 
Hey Buzz, wasn't it you that claimed that MT and ID would be hunting wolves long before WY? ;)
 
Yes it was, but pay attention next time...I said "legal licensed hunting".

BHR, tried to get me to bet that wyoming would be killing wolves before MT and ID. No brainer when you have 2/3rds of the state in a predator zone. That isnt licensed hunting though...and BHR should know he isnt smart enough to fool me with one of his sucker bets.

I still think MT and ID will have a legal licensed season before WY.
 
The wolf has been getting killed for quite some time. They've already killed over 170 this year. The predator zone is just an expansion of this. Still not a legal licenced harvest. Wyoming hasn't approved their own season as of yet I don't think. Montana's is in place and ready to start selling tags. As soon as their sure that the lawsuit isn't going to stop season they'll start selling. When BHR made the bet the wolf was getting killed already.
 
So the hunters are illegally killing wolves? Licesed or not, WTF does it matter?

Yeah they've been killing lots of wolves since they were introduced, but not just anyone could do shoot'n.
 
Nope, not killing them illegally, but it isnt a licensed hunt.

WTF does it matter??...oh, I dont know, how about revenue to manage wolves from the sale of wolf licenses.
 
How did that happen? I thought they'd never be off the list...

Hows the crow A-con?

Do you really think I have something to eat crow about Buzz ?

Less than 3 % of the wolves in question are being hunted. The other 97% + still enjoy some level of protection..
Three and a half years ago, I predicted it wouldn’t happen before the next presidential election. I was off by 8 months, regarding less than 3%.
Maybe if at least two of the three states, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho have successful licensed wolf seasons before the election I’ll eat some crow, and be happy to do it.
 
Your a funny guy Buzz. I was wondering if you could help me out and remind me when I said the wolves would never be off the list. I just can't remember saying that.
Less than 3%, I guess if you want to call that a big win for Buzz, go ahead.
 
Your a funny guy Buzz. I was wondering if you could help me out and remind me when I said the wolves would never be off the list. I just can't remember saying that.

I don't believe that the issue was ever if they got delisted, but rather the fact that we'd never get a chance to legally hunt them because it would be tied up in court forever. I don't remember exactly but that was the consensus for a few hunt talkers. I'm not going to spend the time to look it up, but that's from a 46 year old memory.
We're here now and other than a glitch or two from lawsuits that are't going to stop a thing, we will have a season this year. By the way it will start before the election, so you'll still be dinning on CROW!:eek:
 
shoots-straight, some others may have said it would never happen, but I never did.
I have always maintained that it would take years, and it has in fact taken years.
Almost four years ago I predicted it wouldn’t happen before the 2008 election, and the current hunt of less then 3% of the wolves in question is happening 8 months before that election. So to some extent, I was wrong.
Buzz gets confused about who said what, maybe you do too.
Like I said, if a real wolf season happens before the election, I’ll be more than happy to eat some crow.
 
A-con,

You didnt say anything about a "real" wolf season or a licensed hunt...you said, "'I say, "No public wolf hunts in the lower 48 by the next presidential election"
Any takers ?"

Time to go find a crow...
 
If this follows history, and there is a hunt, it will be extremely limited and probably cost the fish and game more to put it on than they make in actual $$$

Recent history for example, shows that at the meetings to get Bison on the list to hunt there would be some where between 150-200 tags for the first year

Buckling to the squeeky wheels, only 25 tags were released...

This isn't even $2K in direct revenue

I still don't see numbers any where near where they should be, and only a token amount put up for hunters to purchase tags for

The biggest share is still being killed by tax payer dollars

I suspect the same will be for the wolf populations

No matter how many wolves end up needing to get the ax, the biggest share will be killed by tax payer dollars and not by paying hunters...
 
And I have already said I was wrong.
Too bad you didn’t have to stones to take me up on the bet I offered.
By the way, who was it that said “as long as Wyoming insists on a dual classification, their plan will never get Government approval”.
If you think I should eat crow, would you care to join me ?
 
Kudos to Wyomong for having enough sack to stick with their plan. It is definitely superior to the ID and MT plans. The way it is written, MT's season wont slow wolf population growth enogh to notice.
 
A-con,

I didnt say the dual classification wouldnt get approval...I said until they come up with a plan that is acceptable to the feds, WY's plan will continue to hold up delisting.

Wyomings original plan had everything out of Yellowstone NP and wilderness classified as the "predator" zone. The new "trophy" zone is much bigger than that.

I dont mind crow once in while...

jmcd,

I dont know if I agree with you. Montana now has the freedom to adjust their seasons and quotas as they see fit. I think they will, too. However I do agree that MT's season may be too conservative as it is now.

But, I think MT is using good logic in being safe rather than sorry in regard to their wolf season structure to start with.

At least there will likely be a season and the states will have more control with accepted plans and delisting. Thats a good thing.

There is potential for problems with Wyomings plan.
 

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