Wyoming Corner Crossing Defense Fund

[drifter52]

Neither legal or illegal. As gray as they come.

Ty for clarifying the way i read it in montana they will ticket you for it thats why i THOUGHT here it was illegal.

 

[rogerthat]

Everyone has their hopes up on this case but don’t you think the most likely outcome is for the judge to grant summary judgement to the hunters since the plaintiffs won’t be able to show damages. My understanding is that is about the same as a dismissal and won’t set precedent as everyone is hoping. I hope I am wrong but I think that’s pretty likely how this will go.

 

[Buffs35]

Everyone has their hopes up on this case but don’t you think the most likely outcome is for the judge to grant summary judgement to the hunters since the plaintiffs won’t be able to show damages. My understanding is that is about the same as a dismissal and won’t set precedent as everyone is hoping. I hope I am wrong but I think that’s pretty likely how this will go.

Unfortunately, I think the most likely outcome is the Wyo. legislature expressly defining corner crossing as trespassing.

 

[idahohuntr]

Unfortunately, I think the most likely outcome is the Wyo. legislature expressly defining corner crossing as trespassing.

To the extent a state law defined cc as trespass thereby prohibiting access to federal public land it would seem that law could then be legally challenged?

 

[BuzzH]

Unfortunately, I think the most likely outcome is the Wyo. legislature expressly defining corner crossing as trespassing.

And they will be in violation of the State Constitution...as the attorney that tried the criminal case and also the upcoming civil case explained to us on a zoom call yesterday.

Anything they pass will be meaningless...and we're looking to control the narrative on what may come from the legislature.

I have learned more about corner crossing and the laws around it than I would have ever thought was pertinent to the case. Its been a steep learning curve, but I think all of us that have been closest to this thing are learning a lot.

Man I want this one bad...

 

[seeth07]

no NR leftover tags from the draw this year for EM unit. Normally was only a handful left from special draw. I wonder if the resident draw will change? Normally about 100 leftover for the LO draw. Think that will approach zero this year as a few people test crossing those corners?

 

[TOGIE]

i just have a wishful poetic hope, that with the way public land advocacy as broadened over the years, we can make elk mountain ranch realize they've awakened a sleeping giant.

that is what i posted in this thread last november. and i feel like that's exactly what is happening especially given the article buzz posted below.

Latest....

National group wants to aid corner crossers in court - WyoFile

Nonprofit Backcountry Hunters & Anglers would bring the resources of its 350,000 members and supporters to bear on a case that could affect access to 8.3 million public acres.

wyofile.com

 

[BuzzH]

no NR leftover tags from the draw this year for EM unit. Normally was only a handful left from special draw. I wonder if the resident draw will change? Normally about 100 leftover for the LO draw. Think that will approach zero this year as a few people test crossing those corners?

Nothing left to "test"...

 

[BuzzH]

New update hot off the press...Iron Bar Holdings request to remand back to State court has been denied.

Civil case stays in Federal Court.

Lets hope Mr. Ego doesn't blink.

 

[TOGIE]

the hole keeps getting deeper for mr eshelman.

i wonder how long it will take for him to sell his toy ranch.

probably will go buy one in montana.

 

[Schaaf]

New update hot off the press...Iron Mountain Holdings request to remand back to State court has been denied.

Civil case stays in Federal Court.

Lets hope Mr. Ego doesn't blink.

Buzz, is there a point where he can’t back out and the case sees itself through?

 

[Dougfirtree]

New update hot off the press...Iron Mountain Holdings request to remand back to State court has been denied.

Civil case stays in Federal Court.

Lets hope Mr. Ego doesn't blink.

If he drops the suit now, does that effectively end this chance for a broader ruling, or is there an opportunity for a counter suit that will still put the issue before a federal court?

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz, is there a point where he can’t back out and the case sees itself through?

I don't think so...and the correct name is iron Bar Holdings...

 

[Nicoli7153]

Everyone has their hopes up on this case but don’t you think the most likely outcome is for the judge to grant summary judgement to the hunters since the plaintiffs won’t be able to show damages. My understanding is that is about the same as a dismissal and won’t set precedent as everyone is hoping. I hope I am wrong but I think that’s pretty likely how this will go.

Hope the hunters filed a countersuit. Maybe the court won't be able to let the plaintiff dismiss if so, perhaps the same with the summar judgement. Seems like the hunters are the ones that were damaged

 

[BuzzH]

Judge orders corner-crossing suit to remain in federal court - WyoFile

Skavdahl had ‘little difficulty’ finding that Missouri hunters met the burden of proof to keep the action where federal public-land access laws apply.

wyofile.com

 

[Schaaf]

If it hasn’t been said in this thread before, send WyoFile a few bucks. They put out some damn good journalism.

 

[drifter52]

sounds to me like the ranch owner knows he's going to lose in federal court so he is trying to get it back to state level where he stands a better chance of influencing/paying for a favorable ruling in his favor

 

[BuzzH]

sounds to me like the ranch owner knows he's going to lose in federal court so he is trying to get it back to state level where he stands a better chance of influencing/paying for a favorable ruling in his favor

He failed to get it back in State court.

 

[drifter52]

He failed to get it back in State court.

yes i know this what i was saying was he was probably tried to get it back to state court where he may have a judge in his pocket that will rule in his favor

 

[Dougfirtree]

I don't think so...and the correct name is iron Bar Holdings...

I won't be surprised if he drops the suit, having failed to get it back in Wyoming. Hopefully his ego and sense of entitlement are big enough to keep him going despite the risk of a catastrophic (for him and his ilk) ruling.