Wyoming Corner Crossing Defense Fund

[COEngineer]

I like that the LEO actually looks at the statutes book to double-check what the law actually says.

 

[VikingsGuy]

If litigated, pretty sure intentional blocking of access to federal lands via gates or other structures that serve that sole purpose is illegal. I wonder if then walking around such illegal barrier would be a suitable defense to non-destructive incidental trespass.

Just think about how much fun the sheriffs, game wardens, BLM officials and county attorneys will be having in the next few years.

 

[BuckRut]

If somehow the result ends up being that it is acceptable to corner cross in WY, I'm sure we are going to see landowners get pretty creative to restrict access. Some of them will probably do some obvious easy things (as well as being illegal) like the post and chain thing that exists at Elk mountain. You see illegal gates and restricted access as it already is on forest roads, etc. already. I'm sure there will be others as well that do things that are legal to restrict access to. Like a person could drive a 10' tall fence post 100% on his property on each side of the corner with a distance of like 8" between them making it impossible to squeeze through.

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At some point these would not be deemed fence posts though. I have no idea where the line is drawn but "towers" are structures and subject to zoning setbacks.

 

[COEngineer]

If litigated, pretty sure intentional blocking of access to federal lands via gates or other structures that serve that sole purpose is illegal. I wonder of then walking around such illegal barrier would be a suitable defense to non-destructive incidental trespass.

Just think about how much fun the sheriffs, game wardens, BLM officials and county attorneys will be having in the next few years.

My money is on state legislation, then lawsuits, state legislation, lawsuits ad nauseum - similar to wolf/bear delisting with no clear, permanent answer for decades.

 

[Dougfirtree]

So, the ranch manager threatens the owner will close all this down to hunting if corner crossing is legal. Doesn’t he mean the owner will close his property down to hunting? Who cares! If it opens up all the public land like it should be to legal access, then the general public wins. Not just those who hire outfitters.
Edit. Sorry JLS, just posted before I saw your reply. Sounds like we noticed the same thing.

Yes, my interpretation of this was that this guy is one of the people who truly doesn't understand that the public owns BLM land, even land mixed up with private and leased for grazing. Either that, or he's just dumb as rocks..

 

[Deleted member 18333]

If somehow the result ends up being that it is acceptable to corner cross in WY, I'm sure we are going to see landowners get pretty creative to restrict access. Some of them will probably do some obvious easy things (as well as being illegal) like the post and chain thing that exists at Elk mountain. You see illegal gates and restricted access as it already is on forest roads, etc. already. I'm sure there will be others as well that do things that are legal to restrict access to. Like a person could drive a 10' tall fence post 100% on his property on each side of the corner with a distance of like 8" between them making it impossible to squeeze through.

Id just get a trampoline and jump over. Something like this!


I have got to be the most childish 48 yr old alive.

 

[madtom]

Id just get a trampoline and jump over. Something like this!
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I have got to be the most childish 48 yr old alive.

I started to add on that you’d need to get a running start at the trampoline, but reeled myself in. I’m almost 35 after all.

 

[Dougfirtree]

Id just get a trampoline and jump over. Something like this!
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I have got to be the most childish 48 yr old alive.

Ok, I think I may have figured out the solution to this whole airspace violation thing...

 

[Elkmagnet]

A small portion of their property is open to late season cow elk hunts...MAYBE he was talking about that lol

So he dabbles in philanthropy? I'm sure the jury will hear all about it.

 

[JDH]

There was other comments I read previously about building something to block access to the common corner such that a simple ladder isn't going to do the trick. That was my guess at what "closing it all down" is in relation to but certainly it could be about some folks like the sheriffs deputy and warden getting access to the ranch too.

Edit: limited access like late cow hunts makes sense too.

At around the 4:56 mark I thought I heard him say "HMA"

 

[PrairieHunter]

Buzz,


Earlier in the thread someone suggested a public land corner crossing protest day of sorts. Basically large groups of hunters all going out and corner crossing to push the issue.

Have you seen that idea take off in any of the groups involved in this issue?

 

[Thx1138]

Interesting how the County attorney (DA) has dismissed the notion of dismissal, likely the Judge will take her side and won’t dismiss the case after reading Angus Thuermer’s report. Also, interesting how they delayed filing trespass charges from 2020 for 3 of the defendants and now they have proceeded with those so now the defendants face charges X 2 years plus a Civil lawsuit. The ranch manager also states the ladder hung over and left prints in the dirt on the private side of the corner crossing area, resulting in a trespass. Curious if they have surveyed or videoed that allegation.

 

[Carl 9.3x62]

So, the ranch manager threatens the owner will close all this down to hunting if corner crossing is legal. Doesn’t he mean the owner will close his property down to hunting? Who cares! If it opens up all the public land like it should be to legal access, then the general public wins. Not just those who hire outfitters.
Edit. Sorry JLS, just posted before I saw your reply. Sounds like we noticed the same thing.

My guess is he is talking about the Elk Mountain HMA. But who knows.

 

[Dougfirtree]

Interesting how the County attorney (DA) has dismissed the notion of dismissal, likely the Judge will take her side and won’t dismiss the case after reading Angus Thuermer’s report. Also, interesting how they delayed filing trespass charges from 2020 for 3 of the defendants and now they have proceeded with those so now the defendants face charges X 2 years plus a Civil lawsuit. The ranch manager also states the ladder hung over and left prints in the dirt on the private side of the corner crossing area, resulting in a trespass. Curious if they have surveyed or videoed that allegation.

I heard him say that he was interested in going up to see if the ladder had put tracks on "his" land. It wasn't clear to me that he had actually done that (or that he would be able to prove that in court). Does anyone know if this aspect is currently a part of the case?

 

[lenny4077]

Id just get a trampoline and jump over. Something like this!
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I have got to be the most childish 48 yr old alive.

I found a shirt for you...

 

[Dakotakid]

Interesting how the County attorney (DA) has dismissed the notion of dismissal, likely the Judge will take her side and won’t dismiss the case after reading Angus Thuermer’s report.

Can you post the response brief?

 

[Pucky Freak]

Sounds like someone shook the county attorney's tree a bit and there's a case of CYA happening. Can't imagine the deputy misunderstanding the county's position on prosecuting corner crossing.

Every generation needs a hero

Carbon County Attorney Ashley Mayfield Davis

 

[Bigjay73]

The turd in the video is about as intimidating as a dandelion blowing in the wind. Boss's money, what a d bag

 

[Thx1138]

Can you post the response brief?

Angus Thuermer is reporting from Wyofile…….
“Court papers say. Corner crossing “is illegal” and it’s been “a consistent policy of the Carbon County Attorney’s Office at least since 2008” to cite offenders under the criminal trespass law, Davis wrote in a Feb. 22 filing.

That seven-page document, not counting attachments, is Davis’s response to the hunters’ motion to dismiss the charges. Davis asserts that 2021 was the second year in a row the hunters had crossed corners in the area. Referencing the 2020 incident, Davis said additional charges have now been filed. She requested that the circuit court allow trespassing to hunt be considered as an alternate charge to criminal trespass and stated it should apply to the hunters present in 2020.” “In her Feb. 22 filing, Davis knocks a defense motion to dismiss the criminal trespass citations that claimed a conflict with federal law. Defense attorneys said, among other things, that the Unlawful Inclosure of Public Lands Act of 1885 prohibits private property owners from fencing off public land.” “Much of Defendants’ basis for his motion is based upon an improper interpretation of Federal law,” Davis wrote. “The state does not believe there to be a conflict with Federal law.”
https://wyofile.com/corner-crossing-video-do-they-realize-how-much-money-my-boss-has/

 

[jtm307]

The turd in the video is about as intimidating as a dandelion blowing in the wind. Boss's money, what a d bag

I looked up the owner’s net worth. 12 million. That’s pennies compared to other large land owners. He’s beating his chest. Truly wealthy landowners have better uses of their time than to harass hunters with stupid litigation.