Wolves or German Sheperds?

[JoseCuervo]

How many of you all that are upset with the dogs getting killed by a "hunter" have the same level of outrage when people get their dogs caught in traps up the trails out of Bozeman and Missoula by "trappers"?

 

[mtmiller]

Mt. Miller.

Did not bring your name in this discussion.


Has GunR ever chased a deer?

I have been lucky, GuNR has never chased a deer. Early on he learned what "no" meant and we have never had an issue. Often while hunting we will jump deer and he doesn't give them a second look. I would not be able to shoot a dog that may be chasing a deer/elk/lope across the prairie in fun and see no harm coming from it, but would point it out to the owner to fix the problem before it costs a dog it's life. Now if it were an obvious pack and in conditions that they could actually negatively impact the critter, I would try to stop that from occurring.

Back to original topic, if my dog got lost and ended up bedded next to some guys backpack six miles from home and the owner of said backpack decided to shoot him, I would hope he would post it on-online to make my follow-up much easier. Without a wife and kids, bad decisions are easier to make.

 

[406LIFE]

I would only add a couple of things to this conversation:

1. If you aren't certain of your target (as this guy was) and you shoot, that irresponsibility should be enough to have your privileges revoked. I teach 12 year olds in Hunter Saftey to do it, why can't a grown man do the same?

2. For those who shoot dogs in the field, you accept the possibility of liability for killing that dog. (I am not commenting on the ethics, legality, or morality of it at all ). Some dogs with pedigrees and training are worth substantial amounts of money. Regardless of the circumstances, if you pull the trigger you could have to pay for the animal. I point you to this story about a coon dog shot by a person on their property. These circumstances are certainly egregious and not the same as the OP story, but still something to consider.

 

[The Hedgehog]

what if it were a hedgehog?

 

[TheJason]

Really? I have fast, wide ranging chukar dogs. They range 200 to 800 yards from me while hunting. Under your definition, my dogs aren't under control and need shot if you see a deer on the hill.

The whole idea that dogs need killed to protect deer is an old myth perpetrated by backyard biologists who deer hunt 1 1/2 days a year. The vast majority of dogs are not deer (or anything) killers.

Agreed.

 

[TheJason]

How many of you all that are upset with the dogs getting killed by a "hunter" have the same level of outrage when people get their dogs caught in traps up the trails out of Bozeman and Missoula by "trappers"?

If they posted them on Instagram then I suppose they would be on the same level of dumb assedness.

 

[noharleyyet]

what if it were a hedgehog?

..or the ratel. Coz he don't care.

 

[MTGomer]

How many of you all that are upset with the dogs getting killed by a "hunter" have the same level of outrage when people get their dogs caught in traps up the trails out of Bozeman and Missoula by "trappers"?

Are they traps set at legal set backs or illegal traps? Do you actually mean traps or do you mean snares? Because no, I don't really feel bad for people who have to go through the agony of bending down and simply opening the trap holding their dogs paw in place?

 

[2ski]

I am not talking small dogs. Be realistic!

Well you said dogs, man. So where do we draw the line? 10/20/30 pounds? Someone said their terrier was poisoned for harassing sheep. That's a small dog. And I will say, sheep are different. You're messing with someone's livelyhood. And sheep are pretty fragile so a small dog can mess up some sheep. Or is this like pornography. We can't define it, but I'll know it when I see it. I'm not trying to be a dick. I think we're having a good discussion. I'm asking, what is realistic? I brought up my mom's dog to make the point that just because a dog chases, doesn't mean it is trying to kill.

 

[2ski]

I for one would never shoot a dog. I'm an absolute dog lover, but your post is missing common sense.

Obviously no one is going to shoot a Pomeranian. The only harm a Pomeranian can do is to itself.

To assume that Millers dog has chased a deer is also dumb. I'm not saying that it has or hasn't, but just because a dog doesn't have have a leash doesn't mean that it has chased a deer at some point in its life. My dog has been on a leash one time and she thumped the $*** out of another dog because she felt trapped. She hasn't been on one since. She hikes with me everywhere I go unless it is during hunting season. When she was a pup I trained her to sit as soon as she seen an animal. She chases chipmunks because I allow it, but has never chased anything else. She will also sit if she finds a shed (she started this on her own, I had nothing to do with it) but she won't pick them up because she has a really sensitive mouth. I'm not saying that good dogs don't make mistakes, but dogs can be trained at a young age so that we don't have these problems.

Now, if we could train some of these dumbass kids that are just trying to get some "insta-fame" we'd be making some serious progress!

Bottom line is that typically the human is the problem. If we train dogs correctly and people use common sense before they pull the trigger we'll be a lot better off.

Right back at you man. Your post lacks common sense and is dumb if you aren't intelligent enough to see my point. You want to insult me, I'll insult you right back. I assume a HUNTING(which Gunr is) dog off leash MAY have at one time in its life early on chased a deer. That's not a dumb assumption. MANY hunting dogs need to be broke of this. The better the dog understands NO/WHOA/LEAVE IT the less likely, but you don't know until you go out.

So please, insult my intelligence again.

 

[1_pointer]

Well you said dogs, man. So where do we draw the line? 10/20/30 pounds? Someone said their terrier was poisoned for harassing sheep. That's a small dog. And I will say, sheep are different. You're messing with someone's livelyhood. And sheep are pretty fragile so a small dog can mess up some sheep. Or is this like pornography. We can't define it, but I'll know it when I see it. I'm not trying to be a dick. I think we're having a good discussion. I'm asking, what is realistic? I brought up my mom's dog to make the point that just because a dog chases, doesn't mean it is trying to kill.

From Instagram to hypothetical of shooting dogs now on to porn. This threads got legs!

I have been lucky, GuNR has never chased a deer. Early on he learned what "no" meant and we have never had an issue. Often while hunting we will jump deer and he doesn't give them a second look. I would not be able to shoot a dog that may be chasing a deer/elk/lope across the prairie in fun and see no harm coming from it, but would point it out to the owner to fix the problem before it costs a dog it's life. Now if it were an obvious pack and in conditions that they could actually negatively impact the critter, I would try to stop that from occurring.

Back to original topic, if my dog got lost and ended up bedded next to some guys backpack six miles from home and the owner of said backpack decided to shoot him, I would hope he would post it on-online to make my follow-up much easier. Without a wife and kids, bad decisions are easier to make.

Then who's kids am I raising???? I do get the sentiment and am a bit jealous of it at times...

 

[2ski]

How many of you all that are upset with the dogs getting killed by a "hunter" have the same level of outrage when people get their dogs caught in traps up the trails out of Bozeman and Missoula by "trappers"?

I have yet to see this happen so......

And if a dog is caught in a legally placed trap, well it sucks, but that's why I learned how to get a dog out of a trap, in case that happens.

 

[Drake4]

what if it were a hedgehog?

How big is the hedgehog? If it were a big hedgehog then I would probably shoot it.
I shot a beaver once. I thought he was going to chase me.

 

[2ski]

From Instagram to hypothetical of shooting dogs now on to porn. This threads got legs!

Then who's kids am I raising???? I do get the sentiment and am a bit jealous of it at times...

LOL, right.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

How big is the hedgehog? If it were a big hedgehog then I would probably shoot it.
I shot a beaver once. I thought he was going to chase me.

I once shot a beaver chasing my dog... bitey little bastard... didn't post to instagram though... also I don't have a flat brim and I don't "stack mad loads of brownies"... probably should rethink my life choices...

 

[JoseCuervo]

Are they traps set at legal set backs or illegal traps? Do you actually mean traps or do you mean snares? Because no, I don't really feel bad for people who have to go through the agony of bending down and simply opening the trap holding their dogs paw in place?

If it kills the dog, do you feel bad?

As a result, each year, about 50 dogs and a variety of non-target wildlife fall victim to traps in Montana.

Although the number of pets trapped is still small, in July 2013, the FWP commission identified 25 popular trails on public lands where trappers would have to adhere to a 500-foot setback to keep that number to a minimum.

The Custer Gallatin National Forest issued its own special order in December 2013 to reinforce the setbacks along those 25 trails but the Forest Service doesn’t regulate trapping, said forest spokeswoman Marna Daley.

“One of the things that we encourage recreationists to do is to acquaint themselves with trapping activities occurring in the area and take safety precautions if you’re in an area where trapping is allowed, such as keeping your dog on a leash,” Daley said.

The majority of the trails with setback requirements are around Bozeman, such as those in the Hyalite area, the Bridger Range and a couple in the Gallatin Canyon. That may cause Bozeman residents to forget that such setbacks don’t exist in other parts of the state.

A 50-foot setback is required along public land roads and trails, although nonlethal traps must be 300 feet from any trailhead and 1,000 feet from any campground or dwelling.

 

[MJE2083]

If it kills the dog, do you feel bad?

Yes I am pissed. I'm no fan of lethal trapping methods.

 

[Dinkshooter]

I think this was a hedgehog putting the sneak on these elk. BanG! No regrets!

 

[Carnage2011]

Right back at you man. Your post lacks common sense and is dumb if you aren't intelligent enough to see my point. You want to insult me, I'll insult you right back. I assume a HUNTING(which Gunr is) dog off leash MAY have at one time in its life early on chased a deer. That's not a dumb assumption. MANY hunting dogs need to be broke of this. The better the dog understands NO/WHOA/LEAVE IT the less likely, but you don't know until you go out.

So please, insult my intelligence again.

I wasn't trying to be a dick, or insult your intelligence. Chill out a little. My point was that if people would use common sense while in the field we wouldn't have these issues. If someone has control on their dogs that helps. If someone knows what a wolf is...that helps. Relax, and don't take things so personal. I was using your post to make a point about dog obedience and hunter ethics. Take a few deep ones.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Did somebody say Hedgehog?