That's a huge part of it for sure. Loss of wetlands and poor management after logging as well come to bear as well.
Save the Aspens, bring back the beaver.
Wolves and lions will save the trees....
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That's a huge part of it for sure. Loss of wetlands and poor management after logging as well come to bear as well.
Save the Aspens, bring back the beaver.
BigHornRam
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Same old story. Fire suppression and analysis paralysis.
www.vaildaily.com
Forest Service, enviros at odds over plan to revive aspen tree stands
The White River National Forest wants to undertake projects to improve forest health on 375,000 acres of aspen tree stands over the next several decades. The proposal has created a flap with environmental groups.
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MarvB
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I’m amazed at the amount of habitat/restoration projects around me that have different views on beavers. One will be pro beaver, the next anti. Anadromous fish, farm country, logging country, etc make for an interesting mid of views and opinions
44hunter45
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Just gonna cut to the chase here. I really don't need to read the OP's article because I have all the facts I need.I got them from the interweb and Fox News. Then I read a paper from the Center for Biological Diversity on predator behavior modification. I've got both sides covered now.
We can use woofs to save the aspens. We will capture them all, teach them to eat horse meat and their tweak their hunting behavior to make them herd the wild horses into ketch pens. (maybe we'll need to breed in a little border collie DNA.
Then we'll turn them loose again in the sage brush prairie. They will round up all the feral horses for us. We will reward them with horse burger treats. Once all the Mustangs (see what I did there...) are rounded up, we will spay and neuter them and set them free again. We are not monsters with a god complex who would simply kill them, after all. We only want to manipulate them a little.
After a 1000 years or so, the sage lands will be restored to their former glory and the elk and deer will move back out of the high country.
The cougars will be used to save the wild sheep. We will train them to eat only meadow muffins and pack goats. Anything that transmits MOVI.
In order to test the effectiveness of our behavioral modifications, we will put them inside captive deer and elk farms. If they don't eat the captive cervids, they are ready. If they DO eat the captive cervids, it will be because they sensed they had CWD and could not resist. CWD SOLVED.
Say Cheese - Donations of WSU Cougar Gold or Viking Pepper Jack graciously accepted.
We can use woofs to save the aspens. We will capture them all, teach them to eat horse meat and their tweak their hunting behavior to make them herd the wild horses into ketch pens. (maybe we'll need to breed in a little border collie DNA.
Then we'll turn them loose again in the sage brush prairie. They will round up all the feral horses for us. We will reward them with horse burger treats. Once all the Mustangs (see what I did there...) are rounded up, we will spay and neuter them and set them free again. We are not monsters with a god complex who would simply kill them, after all. We only want to manipulate them a little.
After a 1000 years or so, the sage lands will be restored to their former glory and the elk and deer will move back out of the high country.
The cougars will be used to save the wild sheep. We will train them to eat only meadow muffins and pack goats. Anything that transmits MOVI.
In order to test the effectiveness of our behavioral modifications, we will put them inside captive deer and elk farms. If they don't eat the captive cervids, they are ready. If they DO eat the captive cervids, it will be because they sensed they had CWD and could not resist. CWD SOLVED.
Say Cheese - Donations of WSU Cougar Gold or Viking Pepper Jack graciously accepted.
Wallydeuce
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Kinda like this? These bundles sell for twice the amount of "store bought " firewood.
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westbranch
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I live 30 minutes from the Pando clone and drive through there frequently. It is surrounded by an 8ft high deer fence. Deer are not killing the trees and neither are cattle. Truth be told the deer herd on the fish lake unit is hurting and there are minimal numbers in this area to begin with so even with no fencing little would happen. This article is pretty much a load of crap in my opinion.
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I think @Hunting Wife has taken overGentlemen, I was also dubious until I watched -- Ice Age, The meltdown.-- Scary stuff !
Seriously, Canada, especially B.C. and Alberto have not escaped the beetle/forest problem, and we already have wolves and mountain lions. A lot of them.
Ben, Ken or Gerald will be along to add the proper meme to this post
The first time I saw this, I was convinced it was real. I have that little faith in North America's collective sanity.
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MarvB
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Back to the aspens, lots of rationale behind their retreat above but I believe (worth only the two cents predicated) that root and root-collar diseases (shoestring root rot for one) and fungi like hypoxylon contribute significantly. Canker fungus gains entry into trees through various wounds on branches, eventually growing into the main stem where it girdles and kills trees.
Aspen are basal and vegetative sprouters and produce root systems that grow well past their drip lines in search of nutrients, oxygen and moisture. A 50 feet tall can easily have a 25 foot root spread and new trees (sprouted) are genetically identical to the parent tree…problems with that as well.
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Aspen are basal and vegetative sprouters and produce root systems that grow well past their drip lines in search of nutrients, oxygen and moisture. A 50 feet tall can easily have a 25 foot root spread and new trees (sprouted) are genetically identical to the parent tree…problems with that as well.
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BigHornRam
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Pando isn't the only inbred organism in Utah......
Wolves eat beavers. Kill the wolves save the aspens!
NECALI
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Depends on what you consider evolution? The theory of evolution, meaning the universe was formed billions of years ago is just that, a theory. To many holes in the theory to be fact.
Srsly. We all know that the Mayan creation story is the only true one:
Tepeu the maker and Gucumatz the feathered spirit created the world with their thoughts. They created beings to look after their creation. First, they made animals of the sky and land but needed a being that could properly communicate, so they made man. They made him out of clay, but he crumbled apart. Then, they tried making him out of wood but he was empty-headed and hearted. Finally, they made men out of corn, and these men were empathetic and intelligent.
kwyeewyk
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"Fact" is not a measure of how well supported a scientific concept is. Hypothesis, theory, law. The theory of evolution is based on many facts, and is the most well supported explanation for what it is explaining. The beauty of science is the preemptive acceptance that any theory or even a law cannot be completely proven true, only proven false. Until it is proven false, the empirical evidence says evolution is real.
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