What's a degree worth?

[guppie9]

You know Steiny, it all depends on where you are teaching. I make right around $30/hr. So, if you think that is OK for someone with a master's degree, than so be it. When you also consider I have $800 a year in union dues(not optional), about $250/month for medical, and another $200/month for a state pension, you will see that I don't take home much. I work 1330 hours per year, that I get paid for. But you would be hard pressed to find a teacher who doesn't put in extra hours every week so that they can be prepared. I would say, that on average, I work an extra hour each day, so tack on another 190 hours to my yearly total (and those are unpaid hours). Summers off are great, but that is unpaid time, same with Christmas and Spring Break. Also, don't assume all those other holidays are days off. In my district, we work on those other holidays (MLK, Presidents Day, Veterans Day, Columbus Day) without the kids.

 

[Steiny]

Not hacking on you personally Guppie9. I suspect you are a fine teacher. I'm just kind of tweaked over the work ethic of our public educational system.

2000 Hours per year is pretty much considered the standard for "full time employment in the private sector, so even with your 1330 hours worked and 190 extra hours, it's still only about 75% as much time on the job as "full time employment". And most people I know that are really getting somewhere and making some decent bucks work more along the lines of 2500 hours per year or more.

 

[1_pointer]

1-pointer, Actually he said we couldn't understand the benifits. I could say he doesn't understand the benifits of not going, would that also be true ?

Sure, I doubt he does understand the benefits. I was just refering to his most recent post replying to Nemont.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Moosie,

Actually he said we couldn't understand the benifits.

Here's what I said and it's nothing like you claim I said:

One thing I'm learning from this thread is that maybe a person has to have the college experience to understand more fully the benefits.

I'm amazed the article I started this thread with has touched off such a firestorm! I thought it was a very innocent article pointing out that a college education can have financial and other benefits.

As inflammatory topics go, this has to be right up there with Fatassed ATV Riders, Wolves and Welfare Ranching! I never would have expected it!

 

[cjcj]

Ithaca, Moosie has piss-poor comprehension skills, he thinks "Mexicans" and illegals are one in the same,[ 78% they are] hump ..if he went to college he would have at least 7 wives...but he`s one of those ass-busters with a colorfull personality... and with his attitude.. everything comes up roses.

The facts are very clear... the more education, the better pay for the job.

 

[Moosie]

cjcj... Ithica and Jose both know you're a racist, you want facts, thats a Fact. So don't go looking to budy up with them you don't like brown, so keep your Nose out of their ass's. You've posted pleanty of comments to prove such. You are the one that can't tell the difference between someone here legally and someone thats illegal. You've made posts time and time again about Illegals hanging flags without even knowing if they were illegal or just mexican. Jose has a good education and he sees it.

Ithica, You are right, You never said that, Just like no one ever said " "educashun" isn't important!" Yet you posted a topic that said people did. You are also a Liar. admit it and move on.

If you're going to argue stupid stuff and things that are not true, why can't we. You'd think with your Education you'd know better.

"I never would have expected it!" You are again a liar.

............I just decided, I wish I had more education so I could be like the rest of the guys with the smarts. Till I get myself some learnin' in, I'm gunna stay this Hick that can't make it in the world. Carry on again.

 

[Ithaca 37]

I never said cjcj is a racist and I don't think he is.

Moosie, How do you know what I expected? I just noticed you posted this in the badger topic. Unbelievable!

Remember, Sometimes things aren't personal like you take them. They are put up just to post facts, feelings, or idea's.

Really, let things go, you'll live longer .

http://www.hunttalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30494&page=3

 

[JoseCuervo]

Ithica,

He is.

 

[Washington Hunter]

I never said cjcj is a racist and I don't think he is.

I was wondering where Moosie had come up with that, I had never seen you say anything about cjcj being a racist.

Moosie, YOU lied!

There's only two people on Hunt Talk who think cjcj is racist, and that is you (Moosie) and Jose.

 

[guppie9]

Looks like its about time to forget about my degree and focus on my years of experience with 6 and 7 year olds. So, here goes:



BOYS!!!!!

KNOCK IT OFF!!!!

 

[MarvB]

I'm one on the bandwagon of "collage" teaching you how to learn not necesarily what to learn. It took me 5 years to get my degree and I only worked in a related profession a bit longer than that once I graduated (7 years total- 4 with the USFS and 3 as a self employed forester). That being said, the "learning" part landed me jobs that were totally outside of my degree that have made a comfortable life for my family, fuels my hunting habit, and has even allowed my wife to go back to school and start her own career.

Plus coeds ROCK hump and I've also learned creative uses for funnels, rubber tubing, and draft beer....but that's yet to pay the same dividends...

 

[Moosie]

Looks like its about time to forget about my degree and focus on my years of experience with 6 and 7 year olds. So, here goes:



BOYS!!!!!

KNOCK IT OFF!!!!

, Ahhh chi, Guppies trying to put the boyz on track

Ithica, the difference between me and the guy I told that "QUOTE" too is Im not taking my ball and leaving. If someone get's mad enough to leave they should because they can't separate other peoples thoughts from personal feelings. I have my thoughts, you have yours, I think I know what you think, you think you know what I think.... we're probably both wrong and yet both right.

As far as getting mad, PALEEEEEASE.... get over your self ch~ump !!! This topic I can call you a liar and you suck and in another topic I'll reply like you're my brother. I won't act any different. You should know me well enough that just because I post my heated thoughts I hold no Anger when I hit "REPLY". I can separate it. I sleep well at night in my King size bed that my non-educated monies bought me We'll go kill some Ground squirles again later this month when I get some time bud. But I still think you manipulate posts and Quote well out of context, You're either an idiot of a Genious. (What ? I spelt that wrong !?!? )I think there is a fine line somewere there. So kudos to you knowing about art, I think thats GAY myself. 2 things I know....1. Uhhhh something about 30 days has september, Yaddy yaddy, and 2. I still Know CJCJ is a Racist and Washington hunter isn't far behind

 

[cjcj]

Moosie thanks for verifing the point about your piss-poor comprehension.hump

Was it the 7 wives comment....that put the firecracker up yer ass?

Moosie still thinks anyone who is against lawbreaking illegals... is "anti- mexican" or "racist"....But back on topic.

Moosie I never ever kiss ass...When Jose is right [ which is rare] I have to agree.... When Ithaca is right [ 50/50] I also agree...

AND ITHACA IS "RIGHT" on this thread.. your just a hard headed "SOCK TUCKER"

Moosie quit your lying...Don`t make me come up there!

 

[Washington Hunter]

AND ITHACA IS "RIGHT" on this thread.. your just a hard headed "SOCK TUCKER"

Moosie quit your lying...Don`t make me come up there!

LMAO...that's a good one cj (sock tucker.)

I'll have to remember that one for future "discussions" on Hunt Talk.

 

[noharleyyet]

...day nine of HT's version of "Good Will Hunting."

 

[stilllearning]

GOOD LORD WHAT HAVE I STUBBLED ON. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. hehehehe

 

[guppie9]

I say they should meet at the bike racks at 3:30!!!

 

[noharleyyet]

Moosie, the prodigy vs. Ithaca, the elitist intellectual bully.

 

[Oak]

College grad job outlook stronger this year
For the best money and the best work it’s wise to head west
By G. Scott Thomas

Bizjournals.com
April 10, 2007

More than a million college seniors are preparing to enter the real world this spring — and their prospects are remarkably good.

The number of new college graduates hired by U.S. companies will be 17.4 percent larger this year than a year ago, says a survey by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, a human-resources organization.

"The outlook this year is very good," says Andrea Koncz, NACE's employment information manager. "In 2002 and '03, we saw declines in hiring because of 9/11 and the economy. But in '04, hiring turned upward, and it's been growing ever since."

That's good news, but trends can still vary substantially at the local level, even if the national forecast is upbeat. The trick for any new grad is to pinpoint the hottest markets right now.

Topping that list is Las Vegas, according to a new Bizjournals study that identifies the 10 metropolitan areas where job opportunities are strongest for young adults.

"Las Vegas, of course, has a very special type of economy," says Sophia Koropeckyj, an economist with Moody's Economy.com, an international research firm. "And it doesn't seem likely to be quitting anytime soon. Las Vegas just keeps on going."

Bizjournals analyzed 171 metros, looking for qualities that would appeal to workers in their 20s and early 30s. It gave the highest marks to places with strong growth rates, moderate costs of living, and substantial pools of young adults who have college degrees and jobs.

Las Vegas emerged as the leader among the nation's 66 big markets, those metros with at least 750,000 residents. It finished at or near the top in several of the study's 10 statistical categories:

The population of Las Vegas has been increasing at an annual rate of 4.2 percent since 2000. That's three and a half times the U.S. average of 1.2 percent.

The area also ranks first in employment growth, expanding its job base 5.6 percent annually since 2001. That pace generated 226,700 jobs during the past five years, including 45,900 in 2006 alone.

It offers the possibility of swift advancement. Nearly 15 percent of Las Vegas' householders under the age of 25 make at least $75,000 a year. The national average is 5 percent. (A householder, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau, is a person in whose name a house or apartment is bought or rented.)

Western strength

There's a distinctly Western flavor to Bizjournals' list of the 10 most attractive metro areas for young adults.

Four other Western metros are among the 10 leaders: Phoenix (second), Salt Lake City (fifth), Seattle (eighth) and the Riverside-San Bernardino (10th) region in California.

"In particular, the interior West has done really well the past few years," says Hugo Sellert, research manager for Monster Worldwide Inc., the parent company of Monster.com, an online employment service.

"A lot of companies moved to places like Las Vegas and Phoenix from the Northeast and Midwest, because costs there were cheaper," he says. "And there's also been a substantial relocation of people there from the coastal West. It may slow down a bit in the future, but those are still strong markets."

Rounding out Bizjournals' top 10 are Washington (third), Raleigh, N.C. (fourth), Minneapolis-St. Paul (sixth), Austin, Texas (seventh), and Orlando (ninth).

Two of those markets can thank the research boom for their high rankings.

"University towns like Raleigh and Austin are still seeing a lot of job growth," says Sellert. "Biotechnology, IT (information technology) — those sectors remain strong. And research firms in those fields typically set up close to universities."

Employers are on the lookout this year for graduates holding the following bachelor's degrees, according to the NACE survey. They are listed in order of anticipated demand:

• Accounting
• Business administration and management
• Computer science
• Electrical engineering
• Mechanical engineering
• Information sciences and systems
• Marketing and marketing management
• Computer engineering
• Civil engineering
• Economics and finance

The number of new college grads hired by the service sector is expected to increase by 19.8 percent this year, based on NACE's findings. Smaller growth is predicted for the manufacturing sector (up 9.5 percent) and the government/nonprofit sector (up 9.0 percent).

Pay levels are also likely to rise. NACE predicts that the average salary offer for a new college grad this year will be 4.6 percent higher than a year ago.

Above-average increases are expected for graduates with degrees in engineering, management-information systems and business administration. But students with liberal-arts degrees, such as psychology, political science, history and English, will see little change from last year.

Cool job markets

Midwestern and Northeastern industrial areas dominate the lower end of Bizjournals' standings.

Detroit, which ranks 66th overall, is the large metro with the bleakest outlook for workers in their 20s and 30s. The problems besetting domestic automakers, combined with the erosion of Detroit's manufacturing base, have caused the area to lose 105,100 jobs in the past five years.

Other metros that have relatively little to offer young adults are No. 65 Dayton, Ohio, No. 64 Cleveland and No. 63 Grand Rapids, Mich.

"Particularly in Ohio and Michigan, the restructuring in the motor-vehicle industry is hitting hard," says Koropeckyj of Moody's Economy.com. "And because of the troubles in their core industries, their demographics are not good."

Bizjournals generated a separate list of the medium-sized markets that have the most appeal for young workers. Those rankings cover 105 metros with 250,000 to 750,000 residents.


Atop those standings is Fayetteville-Springdale, Ark., which is home to the University of Arkansas and the headquarters of Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest retailer in the world. The area's job base has expanded by 3.9 percent a year since 2001.

The runners-up in the medium-area standings are Reno, Nev.; Des Moines; Madison, Wis.; and Provo, Utah.

At the bottom of this list is Hickory, N.C., a metro of 350,000 people about 60 miles northwest of Charlotte. It has lost 11,000 jobs in the past half-decade.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18027094/

 

[Ithaca 37]

Oak, What a bunch of elitist crap!!