The REAL (REASONS) hunting is declining

My better angels suggested this was piling on, but heck, I've been quarantined 32 days so here goes . . .



But teasing aside, welcome to Hunttalk Elk Bugler. And thanks for starting your first 3 posts with discussion and not asking for honey holes or selling stuff.
 
Elk Bugler said:
I clearly addressed issues of both funding and hunter recruitment, if thats not a good enough answer on making hunting a priority for you whatever.
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You still didn't answer the question. You addressed funding by comparing five hunters buying 20 dollar tags vs one hunter buying a 100 dollar tag. That's a simplistic approach that doesn't consider other alternatives. Also, you are correct in that we should all look for opportunities to mentor folks, but at the end of the day you can't force it to be a big enough priority that folks will hunt over other activities. I've read numerous accounts of "i took so and so hunting, showed them a good time, and now they quit". Que sera sera. Like I said, life has demands and forces us to narrow the scope of our priorities.

And, you continue to only want to focus on things within your paradigm set. User impact on natural resources is expanding all the time. Whether it is suburban/wildland interface encroachment, roadway development, natural resource extraction, or any number of outdoor recreational activities, all are expanding and having an impact on wildlife conservation and management. If you think hunters can continue to foot the bill for this, and do so effectively, I think you are going to find yourself sorely disappointed.

your idea of discussion appears to be convincing others you are "right". Ten or fifteen years ago, I would have agreed with many of your premises. I've seen enough over time that my views on this have changed quite a lot.

As I said earlier, good luck to you.
 
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Wow,
I didn't see a lot to get all that stirred up about with Buggler's post but it sure took off like a rocket! It's kinda entertaining to sit back and read. I was just glad to see someone young come on here and express their mind and like someone Else said be digging for information on my honey hole but I figured everyone already knew where she lives anyway.
 
Roughwater said:
Wow,
I didn't see a lot to get all that stirred up about with Buggler's post but it sure took off like a rocket! It's kinda entertaining to sit back and read. I was just glad to see someone young come on here and express their mind and like someone Else said be digging for information on my honey hole but I figured everyone already knew where she lives anyway.
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Meh seems like new hunters love to come on, bring this topic up then leave forever

Declining number of hunters

Latest American Hunter mag has article on the Ammo situation in California and point to a large drop in hunter number statewide. In short, one can only purchase Ammo in California if you're a CA resident, and have a firearm registered with the state. you cannot purchase ammo out of state and...
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Wall Street Journal article about hunter recruitment

https://www.wsj.com/articles/put-down-the-kombucha-and-pick-up-a-crossbow-hipsters-are-the-new-hunters-11547052935
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Lots dudes coming in swinging, and get kilmer'd

Ever feel frustrated?

I find it interesting how many people on HT are so against new hunters. I thought new hunter recruitment and retention was one of our goals? I understand the aversion to giving away you honey-hole, special spot, best hunting place. What I do not understand is the lack of support for a...
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No non-resident hunting on Wyoming wilderness unless you have a Guide - when are you all going to fight this?

Even many of us Wyoming residents are sick and tired of the choke hold put on the sportsman buy the Wyo Guide and Outfitters Association. These clowns puppet string our G & F Dept to impose their will on you. All Americans own public lands and this includes Wilderness areas. It's time to say...
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Wyoming - flying aircraft over private to access public land

Well, how many acres of public land are "landlocked" in Wyoming? it's millions, I think. Many savvy hunters have actually (with their own aircraft, or hire) flown over the private ground to land on and hunt this public land. There used to be a 24hr law in effect - you had to wait one full day...
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And this topic and related has been beat to death

Reduced Hunting #'s Nationally Threaten State Conservation $.

Interesting article. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hunting-is-slowly-dying-off-and-that-has-created-a-crisis-for-the-nations-public-lands/2020/02/02/554f51ac-331b-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html?outputType=amp
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Did Colorado Break the Elk Bank This Year?

- I have heard from a lot of local hunting/gun shop owners in SW CO that many local folks failed to tag out his year. And that non-res had horrible success B/c of major overcrowding in all units. 1. Anyone want to relay their experiences? I'm not trying to gauge harvest statistics as much as I'm...
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Discuss Master Hunter programs here....

I spent a little while ruminating as to the merits of creating this thread. I can respect Randy's request to take comments and opinions about such programs to a different venue than the class announcement, so here goes. I read @Bozone 's post about the adult onset hunter who went through the...
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Cost of increasing NR tag availability

I've seen this concept referred to indirectly several times, but I wanted to get some opinions as to whether this principle seems to hold true in different states. In IA, there are relatively very few turkey and deer tags available to nonresidents. There are also many deer and turkeys on...
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Hunter numbers and management funding

If you are interested in the topics, this NPR story might also interest you. https://www.npr.org/2018/03/20/593001800/decline-in-hunters-threatens-how-u-s-pays-for-conservation
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Elk Bugler said:
Yeah after some reflection this probably isn't the fourm for me, but now that people are actually having a discussion about the issues instead of trolling I'm gonna keep up the real discussion until it devolves into mud slinging. I'm more offended that the meme guy didn't make a Toyota Celica meme when I asked him too.
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Nonsense, unless you're incapable of being teased or trolled a bit you belong right here, you just need a bit of practice in the art of 'discussion'. There is a fount of knowledge here for you, stick around and you'll learn all things hunting...
 
I could see a "hunting mentor-ship program" type of concept being successful in terms of recruiting and giving new hunters an opportunity to experience and learn about hunting. It could be implemented through major outdoor stores. I say this just from my encounters with my peers. Perhaps more of my peers would get into hunting if they had a way to get their foot in the door so to speak.

I too often wonder how much disconnect there is between food consumers and food producers. As mentioned before, too many people think food comes from grocery stores and not everyone realizes what it actually takes to procure consumable protein. Perhaps this plays a factor because folks don't need to hunt if they are happy with ground meat from Walmart.

In the olden days people had to hunt. So let's get back to our roots and go hunting!
 
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