UPOM as an Anti-Hunting, Anti-Fishing Organization

[SwaggyD]

I heard Becky Dockter left within the last couple weeks.

This man is correct.

City of Helena Announces New City Attorney

Rebecca Dockter has been selected for the position.

www.helenamt.gov

 

[Gerald Martin]

Another thought to add to the list of thoughts.

Bad legislation-aka-Debbie Barrett’s bill writing objectives into law, got us to this point.

This lawsuit should be the catalyst for a Citizens initiative requiring FWP to manage for healthy herd structures and prioritizing carrying capacity over social tolerance in setting target objectives. Elk objectives would be a targeted goal, not a mandated limit.

 

[DFS]

Aerial gunning is the best solution. This is pretty interesting I don’t have much confidence in mtfwp putting up a fight.

 

[Gerald Martin]

May I just say that with this lawsuit, any sympathy I ever had for landowners who don’t allow access and complain about too many elk has vanished.

I sincerely hope that ranchers who are members of UPOM and support this lawsuit go bankrupt and have to sell to American Prairie.

 

[shoots-straight]

Aerial gunning is the best solution. This is pretty interesting I don’t have much confidence in mtfwp putting up a fight.

Sportsmens' groups can sign on to help the fight.

 

[JEL]

Also I own a farm. Granted it is not a hunting destination but I do have a few critters and there is some hunting. UPOM does not speak for or represent me and never will.

 

[tjones]

Senator Manzella from Ravalli County uses “100% voting record with UPOM” as a campaign slogan.

Serious

 

[Gerald Martin]

Senator Manzella from Ravalli County uses “100% voting record with UPOM” as a campaign slogan.

Serious

I received a flyer from Ryan Zinke’s campaign.

“Blocked American Prairie Reserve from obtaining BLM leases,” was listed as one of his major accomplishments…..

 

[Ben Lamb]

This will go to the attorney general, not FWP.

Expect the AG to offer a compromise that effectively gives UPOM what they want.

As one lawyer said today, "it's essentially emotional drivel wrapped up in bad lawyering."

So likely the AG either rolls, or he fights it.

I don't see Austin fighting the people who put him in power, personally.

 

[DFS]

This will go to the attorney general, not FWP.

Expect the AG to offer a compromise that effectively gives UPOM what they want.

As one lawyer said today, "it's essentially emotional drivel wrapped up in bad lawyering."

So likely the AG either rolls, or he fights it.

I don't see Austin fighting the people who put him in power, personally.

Could he push for what is in the current EMP of cow harvest only? We shouldn’t be able to pick and choose what is followed.

 

[JEL]

Could he push for what is in the current EMP of cow harvest only? We shouldn’t be able to pick and choose what is followed.

He could but he won’t.

 

[SwaggyD]

I don't see Austin fighting the people who put him in power, personally

There’s a lot more people that voted for him that aren’t UPOM members than people that are UPOM members.

Edit: it’s the non members that need to contact him

 

[Ben Lamb]

There’s a lot more people that voted for him that aren’t UPOM members than people that are UPOM members.

Yep. But they don't run fundraising rackets or independent expenditures that get you elected.

 

[DFS]

Pretty rough to vote for either side right now.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Could he push for what is in the current EMP of cow harvest only? We shouldn’t be able to pick and choose what is followed.

Theoretically, yes. In fact, a judge could simply say that the remedy is cows only & no bull hunting, plus elk in inaccessible don't count to the objective.

But that's not what the lawsuit it. The lawsuit is a vehicle to capitulate to UPOM while pretending like the agency & AG don't think they can win.

It's a sophomoric attempt at skullduggery.

 

[SwaggyD]

Theoretically, yes. In fact, a judge could simply say that the remedy is cows only & no bull hunting, plus elk in inaccessible don't count to the objective.

But that's not what the lawsuit it. The lawsuit is a vehicle to capitulate to UPOM while pretending like the agency & AG don't think they can win.

It's a sophomoric attempt at skullduggery.

What a convenient time to file it as well

 

[DFS]

This is infuriating and I think a big part of this comes down to laziness on the fwp to not update objectives and get a new EMP in place. I don’t care about anyones political view but managing wildlife isn’t hard when the stakeholders have wildlife in mind. That goes for both sides.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Theoretically, yes. In fact, a judge could simply say that the remedy is cows only & no bull hunting, plus elk in inaccessible don't count to the objective.

But that's not what the lawsuit it. The lawsuit is a vehicle to capitulate to UPOM while pretending like the agency & AG don't think they can win.

It's a sophomoric attempt at skullduggery.

Sounds to me like a bad lawsuit suit deserves to be answered with a good lawsuit…

 

[SixPoint]

Sounds to me like a bad lawsuit suit deserves to be answered with a good lawsuit…

Would it be possible to file a suit against the department to force them to enact cow only seasons? If UPOM wants to hold them accountable for managing within objectives then here you go fellas. I’m no fan of lawsuits but it feels like sportsmen are going to get run over on this deal yet again. I don’t like the thought of any lawsuit driving hunting regulations so perhaps that’d be a bad precedent. That being said I’d be willing to chip in for attorney fees.

 

[brocksw]

It's a sophomoric attempt at skullduggery.

That's GG and Hank's campaign slogan.