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Irrelevant
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^this has been my experience. I'm definitely further right on almost all topics than 10 yrs ago, mostly due to person I've read on here.
VikingsGuy
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While no Internet forum can fully reflect a broader population as there is a strong selection bias towards participation, from my experience, it does fairly "fit" hunters' views on guns.
I also don't think gun enthusiast forums reflect the majority of gun owners either. The average gun owner has 4 firearms total. A quarter of gun owners have a single firearm. Only 2% of Americans account for ownership of 50% of all guns. There are far more gun owners in California, Illinois, and Massachusetts than there are in the mountain west states. Like most issues in the US - a very very noisy minority skews the discussion. (and I am well on record here of being a big 2A proponent).
But this is far off-topic so I will return my comments to the topic of Ukraine.
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Ukraine: Farmers vow to keep people fed despite war raging around them
Shortages of vital supplies and blocked exports are forcing farmers to make tough decisions in Ukraine.
www.euronews.com
VikingsGuy
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If this conflict hinders spring planting and fall harvest/delivery, I predict more human beings outside of Ukraine/Russia will die as a result of this war than those inside Ukraine/Russia. There is simply no way to replace those calories for the average person in the Middle East and Southern Asia.Ukraine: Farmers vow to keep people fed despite war raging around them
Shortages of vital supplies and blocked exports are forcing farmers to make tough decisions in Ukraine.
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I wonder if as the saga continues on, more incidents like this will pop up. As Russia moves across more country and spreads themselves out more, it only seems logical that they are leaving themselves more open to clandestine one off attacks. Seems like Ukraine is adapting pretty well to the situation, if that can be a thing in a messy war like this.
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DIY Volunteers Are Repairing Ukraine’s Destroyed Internet Infrastructure
The war effort's "invisible heroes" are risking their lives to keep information flowing.
www.vice.com
Being in the utility field I've definitely thought about all the general city/county/state works, the water districts, the power utilities, and just all the work they must be doing- often in very dangerous spots, to keep the basics operational in the middle of a war.
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Photos: Fighting near Kyiv intensifies, as many are still displaced
As Russia's invasion of Ukraine entered its second month, the U.N. says more than 3.7 million people have fled to neighboring countries and another 6.4 million have been displaced within the country.
www.npr.org
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as opposed to the 200 Bil to bailout wallstreet. https://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/bankbailout/
or the 780 bil for Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War#US_war_costs
or the 2.3 tril in afgan https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar...etary-costs-date-us-war-afghanistan-2001-2022
but I'm sure you pushed to run away from those as well.
Two of the three were wars we were directly involved in. This one is not. I’ll say it louder for the kids in the back. This is not our war. We should not allow ourselves to get drug into it. And yeah I wasn’t real crazy about the Wall Street bail outs or the auto bail outs.
But we did get a hell of a return on that 2.3 trillion that we invested in Afghanistan it is such a land of peace and prosperity at the moment.
Edited to add: even when we totally destabilized Iraq that worked really great for a lot of people.
But we did get a hell of a return on that 2.3 trillion that we invested in Afghanistan it is such a land of peace and prosperity at the moment.
Edited to add: even when we totally destabilized Iraq that worked really great for a lot of people.
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VikingsGuy
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Interesting alternate history question - if the US gov had been as fiscally aggressive in 1929 as it was in 2008 could all of the misery of the great depression have been avoided? We will never know, but certainly, the fiscal restraint and Darwinian capitalist approach shown by Hoover et al certainly created a dystopian experience for many average Americans.
Might we have even avoided WW2 (as Hitler and Mussolini only rose due to the mess) too?
And that is the question we have here -- not do we like spending a billion dollars to assist a minor foreign country that most Americans can't find on a map -- but over the next 20 years or so what is the least costly (lives & $$) to address Putin's attempt to recreate the Soviet empire.
Putin is going to keep on keeping on until he dies of old age or someone in his inner circle takes him out. I’m going with dying of old age. He went full-blown stalin and is removing anyone brave enough or dumb enough to publicly oppose him. Even if Russia collapses, he will stay in power. And more than likely Ukraine will be a smoldering pile of rubble because he will continue to grind them down.
VikingsGuy
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All probably true - but where in that says we can't help a bit? Help the Ukraine as France helped us, make Putin's pay a full price for his behavior?
Nick87
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Gotta think putin is going to be focusing on that.Ukraine: Farmers vow to keep people fed despite war raging around them
Shortages of vital supplies and blocked exports are forcing farmers to make tough decisions in Ukraine.
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You know what happened to France after they spent that money on us
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Hardly the reason.
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Certainly not the only reason but it did not help
SaskHunter
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I just got back from Poland on a course with their military. The city I was in alone had 200k refugees with tents around the train station to feed all those people. It was truly heart wrenching to see families with kids and pets standing outside, waiting to be fed by the Red Cross... I can't imagine how it would feel like to send my family off to a different country, not knowing what will happen to them, while I stay home to try and fight off a modern enemy.
My hat's off to Poland, and other countries, who have stepped up to help their neighbours!
My hat's off to Poland, and other countries, who have stepped up to help their neighbours!
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