Nick87
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A lot of points would be getting dumped in a hurry that's for sure.
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The 10th circuit court has a reversal rate of less than 10%. Good chance that SCOTUS doesn’t overturn the previous ruling
So if this ruling goes the wrong way, how do you guys see this going? If it’s just the treaty with the crow nation I don’t see it having a substantial effect. Enrolled crow membership is Roughly 12,000, so maybe 2,000ish hunters, of which say 75% are probably ethical people aware of importance of wildlife management. Rough numbers, but just trying to simplify this in my head. Im sure there is a lot I don’t know about the case, so fill me in. Does this open the floodgates to similar treaties with tribes across the nation?
So,non resident Indians will be able to go into designated wilderness in Wyoming without a guide? WYBGO will over rule the Supreme Court...
If they want to go by game management from the 1880 they need to go back to the TOOLS they had to havrvest the game in the 1880. Stickbows and horses. No trucks and no long range smokeless powder rifles; not even the 94 Winchester.
Does this open the floodgates to similar treaties with tribes across the nation?
If they want to go by game management from the 1880 they need to go back to the TOOLS they had to havrvest the game in the 1880. Stickbows and horses. No trucks and no long range smokeless powder rifles; not even the 94 Winchester.
Knepper argued weakly in my opinion. He said the primary reason for seasons was safety!? It looked to me, based on Goruch's questions (page 58), like some justices want to rule in favor of WY and were trying to draw the argument out of Knepper. If I were a betting man, my money would be on a ruling favorable to WY. If I were Peter Michael, I'd be questioning my decision to assign Knepper to the case.
They aren't asking to go back to game management of 1880, they are asking that their bargained for rights are respected and not artificially terminated for the convenience of an entity (WY) that didn't even exist at the time of the deal. If your then childless neighbor sold you 40 acres for $10,000 but 20 years later tries to unilaterally terminate the sale and give the same 40 acres to their now 18 year old kid, my guess is we would all call that ridiculous.
I am not saying the Crow should win, will win or that their win will be good for non-native elk hunters, I am just pointing out that this is not properly resolved by the preferences of hunters, what's best for elk population or by science based conservation. Either the contract hunting rights survived the formation of WY and designation of the fed wilderness area or it did not - how native and non-native hunters carry out the act of hunting is irrelevant.
So they get all the rights and privileges of a United States citizen, and all the rights and privileges of ANY states citizenship (no nonresident draw, no non residents WY Wilderness restriction), AND all the benefits of the Indian Nation.
Nice deal. They must have had a HUGE advantage at the negotiating table. Ridiculous.
So they get all the rights and privileges of a United States citizen, and all the rights and privileges of ANY states citizenship (no nonresident draw, no non residents WY Wilderness restriction), AND all the benefits of the Indian Nation.
Nice deal. They must have had a HUGE advantage at the negotiating table. Ridiculous.
I wouldn't trade them places straight across for the "nice deals" they get for shooting some wildlife...by a long shot (pun there).
The hunting/fishing privileges wouldn't be worth the suffering that occurs on many reservations. I don't have the stomach for high suicide rates, alcohol/drug addiction, rape, and other violent crime. Plus, the living conditions I've witnessed....no thanks.
Finally, the way I read the lawsuit, its more a question of what's considered "unoccupied" land than it is about their absolute rights to hunt and fish on what is considered unoccupied lands. They already have the full right to the wildlife within their reservations, and in some cases, even outside the reservations.
Please understand that this is a genuine question with no ill will behind it because I truly don't know the answer.
Why does anyone continue to live at the reservations if the living conditions are so poor?