BuzzH
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Subsistence hunting is hardly the easiest way to make dinner.
Correct and why a vast majority of tribal and non-tribal folks don't do so, and why this issue probably isn't one.
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Subsistence hunting is hardly the easiest way to make dinner.
They won't be selling most the meat, They will be selling the antlers and maybe some of the meat.I can think of about 7,000 easier ways to make money than selling elk meat...
They won't be selling the meat, They will be selling the antlers mostly and may be some of the meat.
There are people on the Cheyenne right now that are market hunting antlers. I doubt the Crow is any different.
Good point. But white hunters didn’t send a case to the SC to defend a man who left an animal to rot. No problem with the Crow Tribe Win. Big problem with their representative leaving an animal to rot. I’m sure they have many fine hunters in their Tribe that anyone would enjoy hunting with. Bad look for this one to get a national stage.Would be interesting to see some WY poaching stats... seems like even with this ruling the number of animals killed by tribe members off the rez will be dwarfed by the number of white poachers running around up there.
Maybe. I would say when people see three bulls pile in their front yard rotting in the sun... that gets people hot, and taints the public perspective in a negative way. I'll admit that has likely tainted my perspective. That and seeing wild steelhead on a ESA listed river for sale in the back of a tribal pickup. While I can't say the crow do that, they clearly will kill a bull and just take the backstraps (per the lower court transcript).But when they see a cranker bull in the back of a pickup, shot with a rifle in August, they are incensed.
I thought I would try to start to put some facts and some history into this discussion. While I am no historian, I did grow up on the Crow Res and as such I feel some obligation to try and at least insert some background information into this thread.
I'll start here - while there are parallels with other tribes - and the SCOTUS does use previous court decisions to support their current decision - each tribe is it's own entity. This makes any correlations or hypothetical arguments very much moot and really muddies the water. I would encourage folks posting on this thread to really just focus on this one court decision.
I thought it would be useful to show first the historical boundaries of the Crow Reservation (image from LBHC for credit).
The original Crow Agency was east of Livingston, then moved south of Absarokee, then to present day Crow Agency. As you can see, the reservation boundary changed greatly over a 50 year span. I don't know the source of why the boundary moved at those certain times - maybe someone else on here has that knowledge.
I'll try to pitch into the thread - but I think we do have an opportunity to have a worthwhile discussion over this issue - if we can stay focused. We are trying to examine 1 small piece of a large treaty - and even a simple example like "I got a speeding ticket driving through a res once" has no bearing on the current issue and can quickly derail this thread (as we know).
Wyoming could try and press charges but per the SCOTUS decision the case would likely be dismissed as tribal hunting rights for the Crow tribe control across state jurisdiction within their recognized treaty hunting lands including Wyoming regulation upon non-resident state licensed hunters within wilderness areas.Are they allowed to hunt Wyoming Wilderness with out a guide? Being from a Sovereign Nation does not make them a resident of any one state, let alone Wyoming.
I would guess if they could show valid tribe membership docs they would get a pass, if not they would get a ticket and then have to bring proof of membership to court as a defense- fairly simple.I am wondering how this is going to effect enforcement. Crow's can hunt, Cheyenne's can not. Are the poor wardens in the field going to have to say " show me your papers" every time they encounter a native in the field? Are the Crow going to be required to carry proof of tribal membership when hunting?
This is what is going to get interesting. Can the Crows claim Sovereign Nation status when you want benefits like treaty rights and exemptions form state taxes and then claim to be residents of a state when you want state benefits like Residents hunting licencees, State assistance and voting? Maybe the courts have already decided this, if not this ruling is likely to bring this to a head quicker and that is when the poop hits the fan.Are they allowed to hunt Wyoming Wilderness with out a guide? Being from a Sovereign Nation does not make them a resident of any one state, let alone Wyoming.
Your are likely right. What a pain in the rear for our underpaid game wardens.I would guess if they could show valid tribe membership docs they would get a pass, if not they would get a ticket and then have to bring proof of membership to court as a defense- fairly simple.
They’ll be looking at who’s hunting elk out of season.They routinely stop and ask regular white folks to show their hunting license, etc. It really wouldn't be much different. With a 25% minimum to be a tribal member you aren't going to be looking at the color of one's skin before they decide to stop and check you out. (Hopefully).
They’ll be looking at who’s hunting elk out of season.
You mean SPEARING fish while the fish are spawning....not fishing.This isn't the first decision like this. I believe Wisconsin has had similar ruling with respect to tribes fishing (and netting). I am not really familiar with what has happened since, but perhaps someone could describe what resulted and how it has panned out there. I believe there are parallels.
Lol genetic expression is weird... my wife doesn't look particularly native my BIL does, both are 50% from their mother.
It is very strange. I have a friend half Salish-Kootenai half Irish and other European ancestry. She has brown hair, light skin and freckles.
I know two enrolled Crow with blonde hair.
My mom looks quite native, a cousin of hers that’s an enrolled member does not. I don’t. My brother doesn’t. His daughter does, his son doesn’t. And we are not very native. Approximately 64x more so than natives like Elizabeth Warren, but not very native whatsoever.