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I so didn't want to respond to this, its at best, very thinly veiled racism and I have to say I have lost a boatload of respect for several people on this board over this SC decision. I guess the positive that comes from these threads is that they expose people for what they really are.
I think many need to read the treaty, there is again, a contract in place that states the US Government is responsible for providing certain things to the tribes via the treaty/contract. It also outlines certain rights, including the right to hunt.
It also seems to me that statements like those in the quote above, are making it sound as if the only inefficiencies in the whole world are at the hands of the BIA and tribal members. That's pure bullshit. I can show you mountains of inefficiencies in city, county, state, and federal government, as well as private companies that run like total crap. I can show you households that are run like crap. Its not unique to those living on reservations, at all.
The bigger issue to me, is that while I'm not really that happy with the decision from a purely conservation standpoint, what I am happy about it that the US Government is being held accountable to the treaty signed by the Government and the Tribe. Its not the tribes Treaty, its not the US Governments treaty...its OUR treaty. Both parties negotiated in good faith and both own it...and both are responsible to living up to said agreement.
That includes the US Government providing healthcare, upholding hunting rights, and everything else found in that treaty.
What my ass is tired of, is the city, state, and federal governments NOT living up to their end of bargains. They do it all the time and I'll give some specific examples:
The LWCF is supposed to receive 900 million in funding, yet the Government never fully funds it. Our very own Veterans are supposed to have sufficient medical care, promised by the Government when they signed their names to serve. Yet, our lovely politicians provide them with very sketchy medical care. Governors sign MOU's and break them at will. Its well past time that someone starts holding the people we elect to represent us accountable. Accountable to THEIR agreements and THEIR contracts. The Crow Tribe taking this to court and winning, I say good for them.
I'm happy that the rights granted in the treaty were upheld by the USSC, but at the same time, concerned with what exercising those rights may look like. Its well past time the Government is held accountable, because many times they aren't and I've grown tired of it.
Sorry Buzz, but it is subtle racism, however it's the racism of low expectations that your displaying. . Natives were NOT the only group that experienced violence, or dislocation. Or did we miss Africans displaced and drug to America. Or Chinese. Or........
Let's not forget, we also took wide swaths of ground from Mexico at the point of a gun. In fact, one can argue we took the entire country through violence. History did not start in 1860. Nor has time stood still. Every acre of homesteaded land at one time "belonged" to a tribe. We sure as he'll didnt buy it from them, and neither did the French or English, whom we inherited it from.
This is yet another case of States being dictated to by the Federal Government. Those elk belong to you as a Wyoming Resident. Not SCOTUS. And not a sovereign nation. They may be free to "hunt" unoccupied lands, but to pretend we should be held to a treaty as to the definition of hunting in the 1860's transposed into 2019 is asinine. In 1860 EVERYONE. could hunt unoccupied lands with no bag or season. Times changed. The North American model did not exist at the time of this treaty. It does now. They are still free to hunt, but there was zero definition of what hunting meant.
Wow, you guys lost me.
Any way before this is locked. I am thinking that the only way out of this might be buying the treaty rights back. Like a contract, you honor it or buy it back.
This is yet another case of States being dictated to by the Federal Government. Those elk belong to you as a Wyoming Resident. Not SCOTUS. And not a sovereign nation. They may be free to "hunt" unoccupied lands, but to pretend we should be held to a treaty as to the definition of hunting in the 1860's transposed into 2019 is asinine. In 1860 EVERYONE. could hunt unoccupied lands with no bag or season. Times changed. The North American model did not exist at the time of this treaty. It does now. They are still free to hunt, but there was zero definition of what hunting meant.
Does anyone have a list of the tribes that were signatories on this treaty and/or known of other similar treaties? New Perce?
Does anyone have a list of the tribes that were signatories on this treaty and/or known of other similar treaties? New Perce?
For those that have studied the issue, could Wyoming legally require Crows to purchase a non resident hunting liscense? How about follow season dates?
I understand that off reservation hunting rights were given, but does that make year round, night hunting, and no liscense ok?
Hell, Buzz, they tell me what hours and days I can hunt on my own land. Sure seems like a State could also have rules for land a group has rights to hunt. It wouldn’t take the right to hunt away, just give it some structure.What article, under the treaty, states they only get their hunting rights if they buy a Wyoming non-resident hunting license, what months they can hunt, or specify shooting hours?
Its not stipulated and as such, its very unlikely that any State licenses or regulations apply.
The Crow’s water rights were worth around $450 million dollars. I don’t know where the money came from when they were paid it. I suppose the government printed it out of thin air and borrowed it like they do for everything. Water volume can be calculated and it’s worth estimated. How to set value on game would be much harder.Couple questions, what would those rights into perpetuity be worth, and where would the Government come up with that kind of money?
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