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[bobbydean]

Utah.

I had the same thought.

 

[schmalts]

Robg,

Elections have consequences. Sanders may have won going away but the Democrat party used a king maker system of super delegates to make sure HRC was the nominee for them. The basket of deplorables came en masse to make sure she didn't sit in the Oval office. Maybe the Democrat party should have a discussion about the process that allows super delegates to pick candidate who may not have main street support.

I wish Laslovich would have prevailed. Rosendale is not a good choice of Auditor.

Dead nuts right. Sanders would have won big if the establishment on both sides listened to the voters. BIG question is did both sides learn anything? The winner of this election was the non-establishment voters.

 

[MWScott72]

Only posted here a couple times...mostly a resident of the Utah Wildlife Network website. I believe the best possible result came out of our elections last night. Namely Hillary cannot fundamentally switch the Supreme Court for the next 25-30 years.

As to land transfer...having a completely GOP led Congress is somewhat concerning. I voted against both of my Republican representative and Senator (Lee and Love) partly based on their opposition to Trump,but mainly on their support of Federal lands transfer. I suggest everyone start calling their legislators to get out in front of the issue early in this cycle.

 

[Tkaldahl2000]

I am thankful this morning that we have had another peaceful transfer of power from one leader to another (assuming Fox is wrong and Obama doesn't declare marshall law and nullify the election). My take away from this is that I (and we collectively) need to be active in the time between elections making sure our leader know what we want and expect. I am going to ask my elected representatives what they are going to do to replace Obamacare without screwing thousands of people who already can't afford what they have. I did some research last night and found that between 2003 and 2011 premiums rose 62% while deductibles doubled. Believe it or not Obamacare slowed that down. United Health Care's profits increased from 10.3 billion to 11 billion from 2014 to 2015. There might be a regulatory role that the government should fill here. I am very concerned because my niece just had a brain tumor removed. Pre ACA she would have hit a max payout, and then would have been booted from the plan. Then she would have been unable to ever get insurance again because of a pre-existing condition.

I am also going to be very pointed about the issue of public land transfer. The point is, we have to keep their feet to the fire, and it has to be more than just one or two of us.

 

[RobG]

Dead nuts right. Sanders would have won big if the establishment on both sides listened to the voters. BIG question is did both sides learn anything? The winner of this election was the non-establishment voters.

In terms of vision for a sustainable Amerika, Sanders had some very big problems, and Clinton was the more pragmatic choice. However, she couldn't overcome her baggage.

 

[Southwind]

Man, before this one is in lock down, I really wouldn't want to be Bill Clinton today.

I know where he was last night

 

[James Riley]

I am thankful this morning that we have had another peaceful transfer of power from one leader to another (assuming Fox is wrong and Obama doesn't declare marshall law and nullify the election). My take away from this is that I (and we collectively) need to be active in the time between elections making sure our leader know what we want and expect. I am going to ask my elected representatives what they are going to do to replace Obamacare without screwing thousands of people who already can't afford what they have. I did some research last night and found that between 2003 and 2011 premiums rose 62% while deductibles doubled. Believe it or not Obamacare slowed that down. United Health Care's profits increased from 10.3 billion to 11 billion from 2014 to 2015. There might be a regulatory role that the government should fill here. I am very concerned because my niece just had a brain tumor removed. Pre ACA she would have hit a max payout, and then would have been booted from the plan. Then she would have been unable to ever get insurance again because of a pre-existing condition.

I am also going to be very pointed about the issue of public land transfer. The point is, we have to keep their feet to the fire, and it has to be more than just one or two of us.

I agree with this ^^^^. As a small businessman I had to buy my own insurance for my wife, son and I. No big corporation providing it for me as un-taxed income, and no government job. I paid out of my own pocket, and before Obamacare I watched my premiums go from about $300.00 per month to 4, then 5, then 8. The last straw was when they bumped them up to $1,260.00 per month with a cap and no coverage for pre-existing conditions. We quit and went naked for two years, hoping nothing catastrophic happened. Luckily it didn't. But, with a cap, insurance probably would not have helped anyway.

As soon as Obamacare came on board, we jumped on it. We've been paying about $280.00 per month since then, with no cap and all our pre-existing conditions are covered. And we've always kept all our providers of our choice. Luckily we are pretty healthy folks and rarely use it. But we think universal single payer is the way to go. The private sector is more incompetent than the government when it comes to insurance. The best health care in the world ain't worth shit if you can't afford it. Or if you have to get a government job or work for someone else to get it.

Half the people who have a problem with Obamacare are too stupid or lazy to go on line, shop around and apply once each year. Takes a few hours. Our State, Colorado, played ball. If your state didn't, that's something that should be taken up with them.

Obama did well considering the plate of steaming shit he was given in 2008. The world was broke and it still hasn't got back to where it was.

My opinion.

 

[JoseCuervo]

It is amazing that people are already throwing Trump under the bus, without even giving him a chance. Klinton would have done the same thing that she always has-NOTHING, except for lining her pockets! Trump is going to put honest, patriotic people in his cabinet that will get things done and do it in a competent way.

All of you nay sayers could at least give him a chance. For crying out loud, at least give him some time to see what he is about, instead of jumping to conclusions. At least you will not have the supreme court trying to erode your 2nd amendment and other rights.

Uhhhhh....... are you aware that Chris Christie is leading the Trump transition team?


How many of Christie's top aids have been found guilty in the last few months? I don't think "honesty" is a strong trait of the Trump transition team.

 

[RobG]

I saw somewhere Trump's plan to "repeal" Obamacare and it basically consisted of removing the mandate and instituting a few things that won't really make much difference. Removing the mandate will hurt the insurance industry unless they have the government cover the high risk folks (basically socialism for the most costly people).

 

[James Riley]

I saw somewhere Trump's plan to "repeal" Obamacare and it basically consisted of removing the mandate and instituting a few things that won't really make much difference. Removing the mandate will hurt the insurance industry unless they have the government cover the high risk folks (basically socialism for the most costly people).

Remove the mandate and the insurance industry: socialism for all sick, wounded, weak costly people.

 

[katqanna]

I voted for Trump as a vote against the witch bitch.

The oldest recorded derogatory use of the word "bitch" towards a woman, is from about 200 BCE when some Indo-European conquerors were demeaning some female followers of Artemis, the huntress that protected the wild and the hunt from the invaders. They were called "bitches", along with the representative woman who bore the title "Artemis". The invaders likened the protective nature of a canine bitch with her young with Artemis' hunting hounds, as something contemptuous, because they were removing the rights of women to hunt, women needed to know their place in that patriarchal Indo-European new world order. Ever since then, women have been called bitches.

While words change meaning over time, I do not take offense at the bitch label, I am proud to hunt, to protect the environment, to advocate for sustainable hunting and definitely encourage women's right to hunt. For me, the label "bitch" is something honorable. But I am not naive to the motivation, the insecurities and the worst of the Indo-European patriarchy's misogyny that uses that word as a brand on any woman, simply because she is female.

The word witch is a non-Indo-European based word, but assimilated into the English language about 890 CE and specific to women who were midwives in 1250 CE in an old English text of the book of Exodus concerning the Hebrew midwives. The European history of the word deteriorates violently from there on - the frickin Dark Ages, when two religious misogynists rise up. Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Malefactresses [women wrongdoers/witches]), was written in 1486 by Heinrich Kramer, who was an Inquisitor of the Catholic Church, and Jacob Sprenger, a Swiss priest appointed as Inquisitor General for Germany by Pope Innocent VIII. The very title is an indication of the misogyny involved. So while the mass amounts of women, their families and at times, whole villages executed under the accusation of "witches" is in dispute (whether 1-10 million), the roughly 250 years height of this misogynistic lethal fear mongering movement has continued to our so called "civilized", "educated", and "proper" times.

This is similar to the biased ad hominem derogatory attacks of hunters in general, with terms and phrases of "killers", "murderers", "hunters just like to kill things". While I never voted for Clinton, don't agree with her business practices, politics or ethics, as a woman, I certainly feel that in the oldest, most original uses of those words, she does not deserve them. But, of the patriarchal derogatory intentioned uses, it psychologically speaks volumes to me about the wielder of the words, rather than the intended recipient.

This has been a major part of this election and grievously will be in the upcoming administration. Here's the neurology/psychology about ad hominem, it is an attempt to divert attention from logical, reasoned discourse, attempting to tap into the amygdalas primitive fear based decision making process. If decisions are based on fears, science has proven that impairs the decision making process, like PTSD. I am concerned about what kind of life or dystopian culture is being imposed on the US as a result, as a woman and as a human being.

 

[u1299]

Yep. The voters in this country have finally done the right thing. I am sure that the gun-owning hypocrites that voted for Hellary are now in mourning.

A great day for this country and now they had better do it right, or it can switch back to the looney crowd.

This may lower the price of ammo a bit!![/QUOTE

Bullshit, but just the comment I'd expect from you.

 

[James Riley]

The oldest recorded derogatory use of the word "bitch" towards a woman, is from about 200 BCE when some Indo-European conquerors were demeaning some female followers of Artemis, the huntress that protected the wild and the hunt from the invaders. They were called "bitches", along with the representative woman who bore the title "Artemis". The invaders likened the protective nature of a canine bitch with her young with Artemis' hunting hounds, as something contemptuous, because they were removing the rights of women to hunt, women needed to know their place in that patriarchal Indo-European new world order. Ever since then, women have been called bitches.

While words change meaning over time, I do not take offense at the bitch label, I am proud to hunt, to protect the environment, to advocate for sustainable hunting and definitely encourage women's right to hunt. For me, the label "bitch" is something honorable. But I am not naive to the motivation, the insecurities and the worst of the Indo-European patriarchy's misogyny that uses that word as a brand on any woman, simply because she is female.

The word witch is a non-Indo-European based word, but assimilated into the English language about 890 CE and specific to women who were midwives in 1250 CE in an old English text of the book of Exodus concerning the Hebrew midwives. The European history of the word deteriorates violently from there on - the frickin Dark Ages, when two religious misogynists rise up. Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Malefactresses [women wrongdoers/witches]), was written in 1486 by Heinrich Kramer, who was an Inquisitor of the Catholic Church, and Jacob Sprenger, a Swiss priest appointed as Inquisitor General for Germany by Pope Innocent VIII. The very title is an indication of the misogyny involved. So while the mass amounts of women, their families and at times, whole villages executed under the accusation of "witches" is in dispute (whether 1-10 million), the roughly 250 years height of this misogynistic lethal fear mongering movement has continued to our so called "civilized", "educated", and "proper" times.

This is similar to the biased ad hominem derogatory attacks of hunters in general, with terms and phrases of "killers", "murderers", "hunters just like to kill things". While I never voted for Clinton, don't agree with her business practices, politics or ethics, as a woman, I certainly feel that in the oldest, most original uses of those words, she does not deserve them. But, of the patriarchal derogatory intentioned uses, it psychologically speaks volumes to me about the wielder of the words, rather than the intended recipient.

This has been a major part of this election and grievously will be in the upcoming administration. Here's the neurology/psychology about ad hominem, it is an attempt to divert attention from logical, reasoned discourse, attempting to tap into the amygdalas primitive fear based decision making process. If decisions are based on fears, science has proven that impairs the decision making process, like PTSD. I am concerned about what kind of life or dystopian culture is being imposed on the US as a result, as a woman and as a human being.

Snap! You go girl! Or, I mean, woman! Sorry.

 

[noharleyyet]

Kat...you ok with JayZ's pet words and Miley's characterizations for and of wimmens?

 

[hank4elk]

Well said Kat!
As a brother of four sisters I have rarely used the word outside of with some of my dogs and when I was a young dumb constructionworker/squid. My mom washed my mouth out once too....

 

[Nemont]

I agree with this ^^^^. As a small businessman I had to buy my own insurance for my wife, son and I. No big corporation providing it for me as un-taxed income, and no government job. I paid out of my own pocket, and before Obamacare I watched my premiums go from about $300.00 per month to 4, then 5, then 8. The last straw was when they bumped them up to $1,260.00 per month with a cap and no coverage for pre-existing conditions. We quit and went naked for two years, hoping nothing catastrophic happened. Luckily it didn't. But, with a cap, insurance probably would not have helped anyway.

As soon as Obamacare came on board, we jumped on it. We've been paying about $280.00 per month since then, with no cap and all our pre-existing conditions are covered. And we've always kept all our providers of our choice. Luckily we are pretty healthy folks and rarely use it. But we think universal single payer is the way to go. The private sector is more incompetent than the government when it comes to insurance. The best health care in the world ain't worth shit if you can't afford it. Or if you have to get a government job or work for someone else to get it.

Half the people who have a problem with Obamacare are too stupid or lazy to go on line, shop around and apply once each year. Takes a few hours. Our State, Colorado, played ball. If your state didn't, that's something that should be taken up with them.

Obama did well considering the plate of steaming shit he was given in 2008. The world was broke and it still hasn't got back to where it was.

My opinion.

Ummm...have you looked about the the country and seen what the rates have done since 2014? In 2013 I paid $535 per month for a $2,500 deductible for me and my three kids, their mom get coverage through her job. 2014 rolls around and I select a Bronze plan that has a $6,000 deductible, $12,000 for the family and pay $606, 2015 same plan $625, 2016 down to just two kids rates are $705, Renewal rates for 2017 with a $6,500 deductible, $13,000 for the three of us is $1,172, a $467 a month increase. I am into my plan $27,000 before I am getting any money back. I have shopped on the exchange for literally Thousands of people, know it inside and out. It is ugly out there right now. I know my way around the system and the lowest I can get is is $958 per month with a $6,500 deductible, $13,000 family and $14,200 Max out of pocket. If you are tax credit eligible it is all different but our AGI is too high to qualify for a TC. So I am again a subsidizer not a subsidee.

Nemont

 

[shootbrownelk]

It is amazing that people are already throwing Trump under the bus, without even giving him a chance. Klinton would have done the same thing that she always has-NOTHING, except for lining her pockets! Trump is going to put honest, patriotic people in his cabinet that will get things done and do it in a competent way.

All of you nay sayers could at least give him a chance. For crying out loud, at least give him some time to see what he is about, instead of jumping to conclusions. At least you will not have the supreme court trying to erode your 2nd amendment and other rights.

That's exactly what I thought, give the guy a chance he isn't even sworn in yet.

 

[Outdooraddict]

I get why people don't like Hillary. I don't either. But Trump is a vile, disgusting person, and I'm glad that my daughter, at the age of 6 is young enough where I wont have to explain to her that the man America voted in as President would find it okay to put his hands between her legs because he is rich and famous.

^^^This. Among other reasons, there is no way I could own up to voting for this man.

 

[MattK]

Nemont- I literally feel your pain with the cost of healthcare with high deductibles. I have a question for you and feel you are best qualified to answer it. Is the cost of health insurance due to the ACA or the cost of healthcare? If I remember right, there is a cap that was put on how much an insurance company can make in commission that scared many insurance companies but now I see a huge increase in premiums. It seems as though insuring more people would reduce risk and not increase risk (at least in other forms of insurance). Do you know why the premiums have increased so quickly and would this trend have still hit without the ACA?

 

[Ben Lamb]

Ummm...have you looked about the the country and seen what the rates have done since 2014? In 2013 I paid $535 per month for a $2,500 deductible for me and my three kids, their mom get coverage through her job. 2014 rolls around and I select a Bronze plan that has a $6,000 deductible, $12,000 for the family and pay $606, 2015 same plan $625, 2016 down to just two kids rates are $705, Renewal rates for 2017 with a $6,500 deductible, $13,000 for the three of us is $1,172, a $467 a month increase. I am into my plan $27,000 before I am getting any money back. I have shopped on the exchange for literally Thousands of people, know it inside and out. It is ugly out there right now. I know my way around the system and the lowest I can get is is $958 per month with a $6,500 deductible, $13,000 family and $14,200 Max out of pocket. If you are tax credit eligible it is all different but our AGI is too high to qualify for a TC. So I am again a subsidizer not a subsidee.

Nemont

I'm with you. Maybe Trump will rediscover his love of Universal Healthcare: http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/

It would be a pretty sick burn if, by electing Trump, America got socialism.