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BigHornRam
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When an unfiltered socialist/communist like James wants to ramble, I'm just going to sit back and listen to him ramble.
James Riley
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When an unfiltered socialist/communist like James wants to ramble, I'm just going to sit back and listen to him ramble.
Still struggling with that socialist/communist thing I see.
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Amazing that some would vote for an avowed socialist. I fail to understand how anyone could think that putting a socialist in office would do this country any good.
airlocksniffer
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And history has shown that never ends well. Let them eat cake, eh?
The Hedgehog
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I think Vermin Supreme has promise.
He's "smarter" and a trend setter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE
He's "smarter" and a trend setter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE
DRAFTSTUD
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I have never understood the "Divide" bull stuff. All of history has been this way and you want to say all of a sudden it's a threat? Bernie will not be the anointed one, not everyone took Study Hall instead of Civics. John
Is it that so many people, including our youth thinks it's something new we should try? Or maybe they don't want to ever try hard enough to be one of those darn rich people they despise :W:
I'd be more concerned with fixing the corruption in our current setup before thinking about trying something else. But that's just me.
The rich don't think it's broken.The system works just fine for them.
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Let's examine your argument a little deeper. I'm assuming you would not allege Obama was the catalyst behind the income inequality, being that his tenure has presided over the largest increase in per capita means-tested entitlements in America's history. Reaganomics is basically a trickle-down theory, while Obama famously wants to "spread the wealth around a little bit," as he told Joe the Plumber.
Which basically means Bernie supporters want him to continue Obama's economic theory, or even turn up the amperage a bit and increase it.
Obama took over right after a major crisis unlike one our country has seen in 70 years. He had stimulus funds of hundreds of billions of dollars and both houses of Congress to enact his grand vision. And how did that play out? 95% of all wealth gained since 2009 went to 1% of the people (Robert Reich's, Inequality for All).
Obama had eight years, and added trillions of dollars to our deficit, espousing the exact same economic theory as Bernie, and that was our result.
A heavy review of history shows only one barometric that has a direct relation to poverty and income equality and it's an inverse one. LBJ's Great Society and War on Poverty. Since his "War" began, the USA has spent $22,000,000,000,000 (far more than all other wars combined) yet the poverty rate is essentially an unchanged 14% (give or take a few minor tweaks depending on economic conditions). During that time, the poor have stayed poor and the rich have gotten vastly richer.
By aligning the facts of Obama presidency with the history of entitlements and Bernie's stated views on his economic theory, a supposition of Bernie merely keeping the poor in poverty, presiding over the soaring of the national deficit, and the rich getting vastly richer is frankly a foregone conclusion.
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Going for cross-thread points here.
I asked myself why I feel exhausted. I thought long and hard about it and decided the real reason is my failure to master the art of teaching. I know how it's done, and I catch glimpses of the feelings of satisfaction one can get, periodically, from success. But the patience and "outside the box" mindset that must constantly be maintained is just beyond my reach. Life has taught me the truth is, more often than not, counter-intuitive. But the lesson plans are hard for me to draw up. Some times you just have to let people learn the hard way and take everyone else down with them.
In the mean time, I appreciate the efforts of those who bend their shoulders into the frozen wind and deep snow of ignorance, trudging forward like Hugh Glass, but all so others might catch those glimpses. Not me. :W:
I asked myself why I feel exhausted. I thought long and hard about it and decided the real reason is my failure to master the art of teaching. I know how it's done, and I catch glimpses of the feelings of satisfaction one can get, periodically, from success. But the patience and "outside the box" mindset that must constantly be maintained is just beyond my reach. Life has taught me the truth is, more often than not, counter-intuitive. But the lesson plans are hard for me to draw up. Some times you just have to let people learn the hard way and take everyone else down with them.
In the mean time, I appreciate the efforts of those who bend their shoulders into the frozen wind and deep snow of ignorance, trudging forward like Hugh Glass, but all so others might catch those glimpses. Not me. :W:
That's one of the things I mean by changing the corruption. You don't think it would be better to try and change that than to change our whole system to what has been a failure in many cases? What one is the bigger leap of faith? The way I look at it is the people who complain they are so poor here in this country should really look at what it's considered to be poor in a socialist country. A lot of Americans are a bit spoiled, and really have a blinder on when it comes to living without basic comforts. Our great great Grandparents would kick our asses for complaining we have it so bad. Or maybe I am just becoming one of those cranky Great Grandparents.
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I agree completely with you.
I said it works for them. I am definately not one of THEM. The system is working against me, those of us who are just trying to have a decent life.
Zach
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I think Marxist would fit the man better than socialist....
Still can't believe the percent behind Trump.
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MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What could go wrong?
OriginalOscar
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-since-1960/ft_15-09-04_poverty_change_420px/
If we can shed CA, OR, WA we would be doing much better.
If we can shed CA, OR, WA we would be doing much better.
Nameless Range
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Socialist, Capitalist, etc. Mostly meaningless words. I think Bernie gets a lot wrong. And I say this not endorsing it myself, but the reason so many Americans now seem open to "Socialist" ideas is the simple fact that people are living under some of those political systems across the world, and in some instances they seem to be happier and seem to be getting more for less. That is just a fact.
Again I'd like to reiterate, that is not an endorsement nor would I like to live under many of those systems. But painting socialism as something that doesn't ever work would simply be a lie, in the same way that painting capitalism as something evil and no-good would be a lie, when in fact nothing has lifted more people out of poverty than capitalism.
Again, I'd like to reiterate, that is not an endorsement.
Either way, It would be a mistake to point fingers soley at "the rich". This graphic seems to be accurate IMO.
Again I'd like to reiterate, that is not an endorsement nor would I like to live under many of those systems. But painting socialism as something that doesn't ever work would simply be a lie, in the same way that painting capitalism as something evil and no-good would be a lie, when in fact nothing has lifted more people out of poverty than capitalism.
Again, I'd like to reiterate, that is not an endorsement.
Either way, It would be a mistake to point fingers soley at "the rich". This graphic seems to be accurate IMO.
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Eric Albus
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Reagan's economic policy is to blame for the gap? I thought Clinton took credit for the economy. Al Gore for the internet we enjoy...and carbon credits...
Do you agree then with Bernie on redistribution of wealth? Increased inheritance/death taxes? Free college, forgiving student loans?
Do you agree then with Bernie on redistribution of wealth? Increased inheritance/death taxes? Free college, forgiving student loans?
noharleyyet
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Well, Trump did call Cruz pusillanimous...or something like that.....
....huzzah?
....huzzah?
