Mallardsx2
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^^^ Open to residents only. lol Big surprise there.
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Makes sense that what is essentially a depredation hunt is only open to residents. Typically they're not given much notice as to when they're needed, and usually occurs later in the season when weather can make travel difficult. They're not going to call a guy in Waterloo, IA to try and take a couple elk off a hay field in SW Montana.^^^ Open to residents only. lol Big surprise there.
Yeah, because it works real well, when the hunters from Georgia have to drive up to Montana to complete the coursework, field work, etc. on the Landowners property.^^^ Open to residents only. lol Big surprise there.
You'll have to excuse Mallardsx2, he's a chronic NR whiner...Makes sense that what is essentially a depredation hunt is only open to residents. Typically they're not given much notice as to when they're needed, and usually occurs later in the season when weather can make travel difficult. They're not going to call a guy in Waterloo, IA to try and take a couple elk off a hay field in SW Montana.
Makes sense that what is essentially a depredation hunt is only open to residents. Typically they're not given much notice as to when they're needed, and usually occurs later in the season when weather can make travel difficult. They're not going to call a guy in Waterloo, IA to try and take a couple elk off a hay field in SW Montana.
See comment #17.I am finding it hard to believe this is a 11 point (NR) draw on a OVER POPULATION hunt area. Great job Wyoming. If they wanted more elk to be harvested, they should give out more tags. 90/10 split.
This elk problem exists in many western states and on the "too many urban deer level" in many eastern states as well.I’ve reconsidered, you guys are right. My ideas were way too simple, and if we’ve learned anything it’s that simple solutions never work as well as complicated ones.
Wyoming should train and develop an elite force of super predator hunters to exterminate these vermin elk taking refuge only on private land. This elite group must be made up of residents only, of course- this mission would be far too dangerous for anyone else. It’s the only way.
There are huge numbers of cow tags already available in these units.What other option do they have than to give the landowners even more tags so they can turn around and sell them as trespass hunts? Plus the landowners got rewarded with $70,000 for loss of hay. So its a win win here. They get rewarded for their loss and they can sell hunts on their land. It just sounds like a pretty good gig other than having to go mend a few fences once a week.
Landowners don't want to fully open their properties for Walk in hunting simply because there is no money in it for them like there is if they can just get the tags and sell cow elk hunts for $2500 a pop...Falling right in line with the Wyoming pay to play model.
Meanwhile, boooo hoooo hoooo all the residents cry "We aren't getting enough tags, 90/10, 90/10, 90/10!"
And half of the people crying the loudest live in downtown Laramie on .25 acres and this is happening in their back yard and they cant even get on the ranches to help fix the problem. But when you accuse the large ranch owners for being greedy and collecting a check while profiting from the ENTIRE situation it seems like every person from Laramie with .25 acres comes to their rescue on the forums. lol
You don't know what you're talking about, and your jealousy is duly noted.What other option do they have than to give the landowners even more tags so they can turn around and sell them as trespass hunts? Plus the landowners got rewarded with $70,000 for loss of hay. So its a win win here. They get rewarded for their loss and they can sell hunts on their land. It just sounds like a pretty good gig other than having to go mend a few fences once a week.
Landowners don't want to fully open their properties for Walk in hunting simply because there is no money in it for them like there is if they can just get the tags and sell cow elk hunts for $2500 a pop...Falling right in line with the Wyoming pay to play model.
Meanwhile, boooo hoooo hoooo all the residents cry "We aren't getting enough tags, 90/10, 90/10, 90/10!"
And half of the people crying the loudest live in downtown Laramie on .25 acres and this is happening in their back yard and they cant even get on the ranches to help fix the problem. But when you accuse the large ranch owners for being greedy and collecting a check while profiting from the ENTIRE situation it seems like every person from Laramie with .25 acres comes to their rescue on the forums. lol
Going general will make things worse in the Laramie Range and will result in many current places that allow elk hunting via the HMA program to bail and start charging.I still think first thing is convert units to general. How many friends, neighbors and employees would now be able to hunt private properties every year. To me this simply puts tags in the hands of the right hunters quickest. I know MANY elk hunters who buy there tag just before season and hunt generals every year as they dont want to deal with the draw, and lets just say they do well. I know things are significantly different up in my part of state but often the simplest solution is where to start.
Added: if you really wanted to keep a LE tag, convert it to a -1 late hunt
Going general will make things worse in the Laramie Range and will result in many current places that allow elk hunting via the HMA program to bail and start charging.
More pressure via general tags will move elk to the places they aren't accessible sooner, as in most will be on inaccessible private by the time archery season closes, if not sooner. Its already happened in unit 6 when if converted to general and they aren't killing any more elk now than then when it was limited quota.
Your idea of going general would work in units that are mostly public, but don't work in areas with 50% or more private (like the Laramie Range).
The only upside is that my normal general elk hunting areas would be very good hunting as everyone would flock to the Laramie Range.
MT called Jersey Greg though....They're not going to call a guy in Waterloo, IA to try and take a couple elk off a hay field in SW Montana.
HAHA. I am pretty sure I knew you in high school. You acted like a bad ass but never ended up in a fight because you ran away?I hold a completely opposite view of what you think would happen on all four of your points. So much so, that i will not even argue them with you.
So in review the land between the two largest cities in the state has a significant overpopulation of elk, is more than half privately owned couldnt benefit from more tags going to people who live and work on those very same properties...ok
Correct. Access to tags is not an issue in the Laramie Range, its access to the harbored elk that is the problem. That, and keeping those elk on places that are accessible.HAHA. I am pretty sure I knew you in high school. You acted like a bad ass but never ended up in a fight because you ran away?
So please share your claims? Do we currently have a lack of cow elk hunting and tags in this area? In most cases there appears to be lots of cow tags in these areas, enough that the land owners families and friends can already draw....