cgasner1
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Apologies - I mis-read your statement that the landowner ‘must open up their land’ to mean the NM UW version where ‘open up’ means ‘open up their land to anyone with a valid tag for the unit’Who cares.
We were talking about the hunter being able to hunt the land the tag came from.
You said they can’t. They can.
Apologies - I mis-read your statement that the landowner ‘must open up their land’ to mean the NM UW version where ‘open up’ means ‘open up their land to anyone with a valid tag for the unit’
There are more NR at the WI boat launch on pool 9 for the duck opener than WI plates. Could we restrict that to 10%?
All you people who say "I'm just happy with what I can get" are the same people that will land NRs into a smaller and smaller percentage of tags. As greedy residents want more and more, you'll still just be "happy" with what you can get.
this is it exactly, as someone who once had to time sending in my applications so that both the application check and my mortgage check would clear I'm not all that sympathetic to the whining of NR hunters who go on 4 weeks of family vacations and then say a $2K elk tag is too expensive, go on less vacations or move to a state with elk...NR hunting has never had anything to do with income brackets, it was always about priorities.
IMO/E, hunting for a lot of the newbies is one of the many things they do. They want hunting to be cheap enough that they don't have to decide between taking the kids and old lady to Disneyland OR going on a NR elk hunt. They want both, they want it now, and if they dont then they're being "priced out" of hunting. Certainly not priced out of Disneyland though, just their NR hunting license.
If the expectation is that a state should accommodate your broad base of activities to suit your income bracket, so you can do it all...I'm inclined to say tough chit.
If you want cheap hunting AND the trip to Disneyland, that's what resident hunting is there for.
Hunters need to get over this delusional idea they can have it all in every state they feel like hunting.
Some final thoughts, most of the serious NR hunters I know are not in the top income brackets. As it's always been in my lifetime, those that hunt as a NR that want it bad enough make it a high priority.
Many of the chronic bitchers in these threads probably never had to call a GF agency and have them send you the paper regulations and applications you filled out by hand. Nearly every state made you front the money via a paper check as well.
It's dirt cheap and so much easier to apply for multiple states now...I can only imagine the level of crying if they had to apply like NRs did 25 years ago. The cheap fees fronted and ease of application is another reason for the large influx of wannabes.
I learned something todayAlso in before the lock
ID, MT, WY and other western states have trapping reciprocity which means NRs can only trap if the residents of the state have the same opportunity for that animal in the NR state.I read this post just after getting home from the gym.
It amuses me, I guess, that when interacting with fellow hunters, who hold your elk hunting opportunity in their hands, you choose to call them greedy. That seems pretty ass backwards to me.
We could push to get 95/5 and double the price, and all of your whining couldn't stop it, at all. Insulting people, generally does not make them more inclined to meet you half way.
I'm not certain whether to tell you to keep up the good work. My guess is you will.
That’s why we are all here to learnI learned something today
You keep saying that Resident hunters numbers are declining.Who said all I'm concerned about is tags? Read post 290 if you forget...
I'm using WY as an example. I'm in line, I have an application in for a general tag.
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm talking about. Things are only going to get more difficult for NRs. The elk population has been steadily increasing in WY along with the number of resident hunters declining. Why should things be getting tougher for NRs?? Looks to me like they should be getting better.
Pucky's point, I believe, is also about stagnating wages/ inflation/ etc.NR hunting has never had anything to do with income brackets, it was always about priorities.
IMO/E, hunting for a lot of the newbies is one of the many things they do. They want hunting to be cheap enough that they don't have to decide between taking the kids and old lady to Disneyland OR going on a NR elk hunt. They want both, they want it now, and if they dont then they're being "priced out" of hunting. Certainly not priced out of Disneyland though, just their NR hunting license.
I'm laid up today so I've got lots of time on my hands. I changed my my mind I would be happy because it would mean a huge step in the right direction, and the DNR actually not worrying about ruffling feathers to do what's right for the deer herd. Maybe then some people would maybe see the results and the light bulb would go on for some. Sadly probably not, they're not interested in any of that. They want everything without giving up anything. For an example I had a plumber give me a quote a few years back and we got talking hunting. He was a transplant and had gotten permission to a large farm that used to be deer heaven that I'm fairly familiar with. They hunted like 12 days of gun season without seeing anything and was expressing his dissatisfaction with the way the hunting is. On the last day they killed a spike and a doe fawn. I'll never forget he said "yup only two deer we saw the whole year but we got it done!" I can't fault him he had a tag and was totally legally, shame on DNR though. But Jesus Christ man at some point does it not pop into your head like you know maybe they could use a little break. And just put the gun back on safe and think about the big picture for a minute.so would you guys be happy or unhappy if your DNR was forced to restrict buck hunting in an amount of tags equal to the amount of resident hunters that currently hold one each year, but then decided to shave off 10% for NRs, which means 10% of resident hunters go without a buck tag? would you be pro eliminating that 10% for NR? or pro keeping that 10% for NR?
if you can't be honest about your answer to that question then you can't be honest or even be on solid footing to have an opinion on tightening allocations in the west. simple as that IMO.
this is the nuts and bolts of why allocations are tightening in the west. not because we're at that point, but because we're headed to that point.
I'm laid up today so I've got lots of time on my hands. I changed my my mind I would be happy because it would mean a huge step in the right direction, and the DNR actually not worrying about ruffling feathers to do what's right for the deer herd. Maybe then some people would maybe see the results and the light bulb would go on for some. Sadly probably not, they're not interested in any of that. They want everything without giving up anything. For an example I had a plumber give me a quote a few years back and we got talking hunting. He was a transplant and had gotten permission to a large farm that used to be deer heaven that I'm fairly familiar with. They hunted like 12 days of gun season without seeing anything and was expressing his dissatisfaction with the way the hunting is. On the last day they killed a spike and a doe fawn. I'll never forget he said "yup only two deer we saw the whole year but we got it done!" I can't fault him he had a tag and was totally legally, shame on DNR though. But Jesus Christ man at some point does it not pop into your head like you know maybe they could use a little break. And just put the gun back on safe and think about the big picture for a minute.
Every year? I thought you said 90/10 split? I'm missing something.Bit you’re over complicating it. The question really is this: are you okay not getting a single resident deer tag every year because a non resident is getting it instead
Every year? I thought you said 90/10 split? I'm missing something.
On the last day they killed a spike and a doe fawn. I'll never forget he said "yup only two deer we saw the whole year but we got it done!" I can't fault him he had a tag and was totally legally, shame on DNR though. But Jesus Christ man at some point does it not pop into your head like you know maybe they could use a little break. And just put the gun back on safe and think about the big picture for a minute.
Yup and I'm totally for that if it needs to happen. Anywhere for that matter. In the duck blind I've said it so many times like man I wonder what it would be like if we could all just lay off for a year. I always get looks like I'm an idiot. Like I said everyone wants to bitch nobody wants to help. (Admittedly from a science stand point I don't know if shutting down duck season for an entire year is the solution but I'd totally sacrifice it.I don't think a single deer should be hunted in Wyoming this year by residents or non residents. The herd is depleted. View attachment 317911