Ryan Busse is a coward

[406dn]

Can you name another country that’s better to live in than the United States?
Feel free to consult with known traitor @BuzzH


The cops probably didn’t go into because their fight or flight instincts told them it’s not a good idea to risk your life to save somebody else.
These aren’t soldiers.
This isn’t wwii.
They’re just pigs.

News flash, there is more than one desirable country to live in. There better be or our immigration pressure will only get worse.

I've spent enough time in Canada to know that if that's where I was born, it would be a pretty good country for a person who loves the outdoors as much as I do. I think I could adjust to Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, yada, yada. If there is some semi wild or wild land left to wander around in and a first world economy, it is a pretty decent circumstance from my point of view.

The rest of your post is just nonsense. The police are caught in a very tough position. In these school shootings, the only thing they know for certain when first arriving is that the shooter has at least one AR type weapon. They don't know where he is exactly, if he is wearing a bullet proof vest, yada, yada.

One reason there are so many police involved shootings is that a LEO has to assume that everyone they interact with is armed. That can't be a great place to be from a mental health aspect. I can't come up with a very long list of occupations that are more challenging, when you take everything into consideration.

 

[406dn]

You really like to ride your wife’s coat tails like cam Hanes rides Roy Roth’s.

If this is seriously your plan it’s disturbing knowing how charismatic and manipulative you are and that you’re voting in our elections.

Also 10/10 one one of the most privileged life plans of all time.

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

So personal attacks is all you have...very persuasive.

 

[jryoung]

Random [and irrelevant] fact of the day: Canada sending cancer patients to Bellingham Washington because the wait time for treatment is to long in Canada or at least BC. Unknown whether they’ll have to pay US prices?

Had we not been in the medical industry my Father in law would have waiting 6 months to be seen for esophageal cancer, instead he had his surgery within a month.

We (Americans) like to bash on other countries for "wait times" but we really aren't much better and our care is often sub standard as well.

 

[SAJ-99]

As has been pointed out statistically speaking the country as a whole (outside of some urban areas) is relatively safe.

I think we are on the same page, I just have a problem with the above conclusion. Statistically speaking your comment isn't true. Cause of death might matter to you when you say "safer", but I don't think we should start parsing firearm death data by cause when we are really trying to address mental health (I guess we aren't really trying to address it as a society, we just like to use it as the cause we can agree on and walk away from the discussion feeling good). It is safer to be in a rural area if someone else has the gun, but much less safe if you live in a rural area and the gun is in your hand. The trend isn't new. Below is 2011-2020, but the same conclusion was reached in an analysis from the 1990's.

 

[noharleyyet]

Gotta shoot for something when your in the grind. Would rather run around in the mountains in NZ for a few years than own a bunch of new cars.

 

[TheJason]

You really like to ride your wife’s coat tails like cam Hanes rides Roy Roth’s.

If this is seriously your plan it’s disturbing knowing how charismatic and manipulative you are and that you’re voting in our elections.

Also 10/10 one one of the most privileged life plans of all time.

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

FFS…

 

[DouglasR]

I’ve put more bone on its back than cwd!
Who tf wants it?!?!

 

[Irrelevant]

Also 10/10 one one of the most privileged life plans of all time.

I think you're confusing privilege with being an intelligent, charismatic, hard worker with a plan, who's made consistently good choices in life.

Jealousy doesn't look good on you Doug

 

[more_cowbell]

I think we are on the same page, I just have a problem with the above conclusion. Statistically speaking your comment isn't true. Cause of death might matter to you when you say "safer", but I don't think we should start parsing firearm death data by cause when we are really trying to address mental health (I guess we aren't really trying to address it as a society, we just like to use it as the cause we can agree on and walk away from the discussion feeling good). It is safer to be in a rural area if someone else has the gun, but much less safe if you live in a rural area and the gun is in your hand. The trend isn't new. Below is 2011-2020, but the same conclusion was reached in an analysis from the 1990's.

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I thought some time ago on this site, a similar set of stats came up, where basically someone joked that people more in danger of being injured by a firearm were older white dudes in MT?

In rural areas people are more likely to use firearms (legally), than in urban areas. I'd not be surprised if some firearms injury stats include a bunch of rowdy 19 year olds drinking PBR and shooting at rocks or practicing fast draws with their tricked out Glocks.

Also, at least for Oregon, the darkest county I think is one of the least populated, so while it looks bad, if the population was 100 people and one guy Barney Fife'd his foot and another accidentally shot his hunting buddy, then all of a sudden that county goes to the top?

 

[more_cowbell]

We (Americans) like to bash on other countries for "wait times" but we really aren't much better and our care is often sub standard as well.

No bashing, just pointing out that no system is perfect and people should keep that in mind

 

[Handlebar]

I think we are on the same page, I just have a problem with the above conclusion. Statistically speaking your comment isn't true. Cause of death might matter to you when you say "safer", but I don't think we should start parsing firearm death data by cause when we are really trying to address mental health (I guess we aren't really trying to address it as a society, we just like to use it as the cause we can agree on and walk away from the discussion feeling good). It is safer to be in a rural area if someone else has the gun, but much less safe if you live in a rural area and the gun is in your hand. The t

I think we are on the same page, I just have a problem with the above conclusion. Statistically speaking your comment isn't true. Cause of death might matter to you when you say "safer", but I don't think we should start parsing firearm death data by cause when we are really trying to address mental health (I guess we aren't really trying to address it as a society, we just like to use it as the cause we can agree on and walk away from the discussion feeling good). It is safer to be in a rural area if someone else has the gun, but much less safe if you live in a rural area and the gun is in your hand. The trend isn't new. Below is 2011-2020, but the same conclusion was reached in an analysis from the 1990's.

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Trying to parse this out, is this strictly homicides or are suicides included in this as well?

 

[more_cowbell]

This is from 2016 (but thought I saw a more recent article with updated charts, and which excluded suicide and accidents):

There’s a new global ranking of gun deaths. Here’s where the U.S. stands

Half of all gun-related deaths in 2016 occurred in six nations -- Brazil, the United States, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia and Guatemala.

www.pbs.org

Overall, 64 percent of deaths were determined to be homicides, while an additional 27 percent were suicides and 9 percent were accidental shootings.

But country to country, looking at the ways people die due to gunfire produces a deeply varied picture, said Christopher Murray, the institute’s director.

When it comes to the number of gun-related homicides, the U.S. ranks 30th worldwide. But suicides linked to guns occurred in the U.S. at a rate of 6.4 per 100,000 deaths — a total of 23,800 people — the second highest rate worldwide.

Note: Obviously, don't move to Greenland.

Edit to add from article:

Since 1990, the number of gun deaths has declined, the report said. But nearly every year since then, firearm deaths outside conflict zones outnumbered deaths that occurred as a result of war.


“We spend a lot of time thinking about conflict, and probably, we should be spending as much or more time thinking about how to reduce firearm-related homicide and suicide,” Murray said.


These latest numbers “provide the best data” on global gun deaths, said David Hemenway, who developed and directs the National Violent Death Reporting System at Harvard University. Overall, the report underscores that guns “are a major public health problem, not just in the U.S. but throughout the world.”


“Without good data, you just don’t have the knowledge you need to make wise decisions,” said Hemenway, who was not involved in the study. More good data like this is crucial if policymakers want to bring death numbers down, he added. **** Legally procured guns play a role in most deaths by suicide in the U.S., Murray said, which means this kind of information will be even more critical as nation’s suicide rate continues to rise.

 

[SAJ-99]

Trying to parse this out, is this strictly homicides or are suicides included in this as well?

Suicides are included. That was my point.

This HT group largely agrees that mental health is the problem. But as a society we elect not to deal with it (or specifically pay for dealing with it). So we have to acknowledge that there are people with mental health issues scattered through the population. Occasionally there will be those people with "extreme bad intentions". No wants to say it, but we would rather those people off themselves than walk into a public place and start shooting. Given our current system is a check-box on a form that asks if a person has mental health issues, we are not doing a good job keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental health problems. We should try to focus our energy on that.

 

[more_cowbell]

Gun violence policy is focusing on mental health but federal records still lack some states

Despite years of progress and millions in spending, three states still don't report mental health records into the FBI for background checks.

www.usatoday.com

From the article:

Federal officials say the FBI’s database of people prohibited from purchasing firearms only works if it has “complete, accurate and timely information.”

Mental health records are a key prong in the system. But three states – New Hampshire, Montana and Wyoming – still refuse to submit them.

As U.S. Senators iron out gun reform initiatives, many Republicans like Sen. John Cornyn of Texas have repeatedly pointed to legislation that stops people with criminal records or mental health challenges from obtaining firearms.

Cornyn backed a 2018 bill that sought to shore up the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, in the wake of a Texas church shooting that left 27 dead. The fatalities included the gunman, an Air Force airman, whose criminal records that would have barred him from purchasing guns had not been submitted to NICS.

“For years, agencies and states haven’t complied with the law, failing to upload these critical records without consequence,” Cornyn said while celebrating the “Fix NICS” solutions that pushed for faster and more accurate submissions. “Just one record that’s not properly reported can lead to tragedy.”

President Donald Trump signed that bill, which has pumped $615 million into states to close loopholes and shore up reporting into the FBI's system.

States have made significant progress reporting into the database of 26 million records, including for 6.9 million people found by a judge to be mentally ill.

Without state laws mandating participation, Montana and Wyoming have submitted 36 and 17 mental health records respectively. New Hampshire has submitted 657. By comparison, Hawaii – with about the same population as New Hampshire – has submitted nearly 10,000 mental health records.

Records from the three states’ government-run mental health facilities show that many hundreds more people have been involuntarily committed – all of whom should have been submitted into NICS.

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Holes in the mental health reporting system gained attention in 2007 after a shooting at Virginia Tech left 32 dead. Two years earlier, a court had found the student shooter “an imminent danger to self or others” after he was accused of stalking two female classmates, resulting in temporary detention that should have disqualified him from purchasing firearms.

At the time, only about half of the states reported mental health records to NICS. By 2012, that number had shrunk to about 19 states that reported fewer than 100 records and by 2014 it fell to eight. In 2016, it fell to four until Alaska increased its reporting.

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Efforts to broaden background checks to be “universal” – applying to private sales – have failed to pass at both state and federal levels. But gun rights lobbyists and gun safety groups both have coalesced around strengthening NICS.

 

[Bullbrl]

Suicides are included. That was my point.

This HT group largely agrees that mental health is the problem. But as a society we elect not to deal with it (or specifically pay for dealing with it). So we have to acknowledge that there are people with mental health issues scattered through the population. Occasionally there will be those people with "extreme bad intentions". No wants to say it, but we would rather those people off themselves than walk into a public place and start shooting. Given our current system is a check-box on a form that asks if a person has mental health issues, we are not doing a good job keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental health problems. We should try to focus our energy on that.

Well said. IMO this starts in the home, mental health, and for people to not be afraid to speak up if they notice someone saying something about shooting/killling people. More often than not in regards to school shootings there are signs beforehand.

Another thing we need to consider is that if our “leaders” truly want the gun violence problem solved. To much $$ being made through campaign donations on both sides of this debate.

 

[grizzly_]

My best friend from camp of champions in Whistler that I went to every year from k-11 when I graduated early is a clinical cuckologist at Washington Lee university and he says you’re being flippant.

 

[CRJR45]

Will a .243 kill a block of Tillamook cheddar? Think I should upgrade to .338?

Shot placement and time of day is everything ! You don't want to shoot it late in the day for fear of not finding it before dark .

 

[BackofBeyond]

You really like to ride your wife’s coat tails like cam Hanes rides Roy Roth’s.

If this is seriously your plan it’s disturbing knowing how charismatic and manipulative you are and that you’re voting in our elections.

Also 10/10 one one of the most privileged life plans of all time.

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

So when a conservative guy does it he pulled himself up by his boot straps, but when a liberal does it he's capitalizing on privilege?

10-4. Makes sense now. Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

It’s so hard to quantify.

I do think that European people’s expectations of healthcare quality in general are lower, which leads to higher satisfaction metrics. Just an opinion.

Agreed hard to quantify, but no one in Europe goes into bankruptcy because of medical issue, ambulance rides don’t cost $5000, etc.

liberal

Woah buddy, I’m just a Romney/ Charlie Baker kinda guy.

 

[TheJason]

My best friend from camp of champions in Whistler that I went to every year from k-11 when I graduated early is a clinical cuckologist at Washington Lee university and he says you’re being flippant.

You need to speak English Douglas.