Officer shoots driver w his own gun

[44hunter45]

Is that the same as keister carry?

Is that a Glock in your pocket or....?

 

[EKYHunter]

FIFY

I'm more familiar with industrial accidents. Having said that. LE is an industry, if you will. Accident Root Cause Analysis virtually always points to a couple of places where the outcome could have been changed in the events leading up to the accident. ND comes at the end of a series of events. Call them handling errors if you want.

I would love to see the statistics for LEOs killed or injured by teammates vs citizens.

I digress. This may be a bottom of the barrel hire, or the department may have sub-standard training practices. Most of us here have spent untold hours in gun safety and handling weapons. We watch this and apply that background.

I suspect the OP was trying to say this is a DEI issue without risking actually writing it "out loud". How many of us shook our heads at the video of the US Secret Service agent unable to re-holster her weapon under stress during the Trump near miss. I personally have done a lot of dry fire draw, shoot, re-holster training. Then I've done it live fire. What I have not done is do it under stress.

Asking you LEOs - how many hours of training have you done drawing another's weapon from their holster. I'm going out on a limb and say it is not to the "under stress, muscle memory" level.

In the end I'm going to look to myself. I commit to be as safe as I can be in my weapons handling and to keep training. All with the goal of never having to pull.

Funeral services held for prison lieutenant killed during firearm training

Friends, family, coworkers, and the community said a final farewell to a lieutenant at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility.

www.wsaz.com

 

[44hunter45]

Funeral services held for prison lieutenant killed during firearm training

Friends, family, coworkers, and the community said a final farewell to a lieutenant at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility.

www.wsaz.com

I've found others also. I'm wishing this data was available from something like FBI Uniform Crime Statistics.
Strictly anecdotal, but a lot of incidents I found of blue on blue were bad marksmanship or failure to identify the target. I remember a couple from my youth from bad gun handling.
Keep in mind that I'm old enough that female cops were rare then. Hoping LE training regimens have improved since the Buford T. Justice days of my youth.

My point is this. In their career, a LEO will spend more time around colleagues with guns than anyone else. It's pretty simple to infer more risk just on the time in proximity.

 

[millerkiller77]

I have too...but I'm just saying they operate differently than men. I've also been in countless situations where they unnecessarily escalated the situation with someone when it didn't need to be done.

That's an issue across the spectrum, it's in their DNA.

 

[44hunter45]

If it were me in that traffic stop...I would have asked where the gun was at and just kept him in the vehicle with it. You have to read the room. If the guy is angry and combative...you probably don't want a gun on him. This guy was completely polite and cooperative. Working in Montana I assumed everyone had a gun in their vehicle so I didn't get too hung up on that.

I had a great interaction on a Nevada traffic stop last week. (Other than I got a $75 ticket). The NSP Sergeant asked if I had a weapon. I said yes and told him where it was. He asked to see my permit as well as my license. Once he verified I had a permit with reciprocity, he handed it back. Since I have an Idaho enhanced permit, that was all there was to it. No drama.

 

[crock239]

I suspect the OP was trying to say this is a DEI issue without risking actually writing it "out loud".

Hold up....as OP I'm going to step in here and say that in no way, shape, or form did I post this as a DEI issue.

I actually posted primarily because it was a crazy story about a law-abiding gun owner getting harmed by some seriously bad gun handling... I know there's a lot of gun owners/carriers here, and my thinking was more along the lines of "What more could a person do to be safe in a traffic stop when legally armed?"

@noharleyyet had a comment about not keeping his vehicle handgun loaded or on his person and was more in line w my thoughts

I'm no proponent of DEI by any means but I honestly didn't even notice it was a female LEO that pulled the weapon, and I don't think the sex of the officer had any bearing on the outcome of this incident.

A little surprised this one ran into the DEI ditch (but probably shouldn't be in today's environment).

Anyway, now that that's cleared up...carry on.

 

[kodiakisland]

Was funny how the other officer immediately told her to put it down. He didn’t want to be next.

 

[Lota lota]

Hold up....as OP I'm going to step in here and say that in no way, shape, or form did I post this as a DEI issue.

I actually posted primarily because it was a crazy story about a law-abiding gun owner getting harmed by some seriously bad gun handling... I know there's a lot of gun owners/carriers here, and my thinking was more along the lines of "What more could a person do to be safe in a traffic stop when legally armed?"

@noharleyyet had a comment about not keeping his vehicle handgun loaded or on his person and was more in line w my thoughts

I'm no proponent of DEI by any means but I honestly didn't even notice it was a female LEO that pulled the weapon, and I don't think the sex of the officer had any bearing on the outcome of this incident.

A little surprised this one ran into the DEI ditch (but probably shouldn't be in today's environment).

Anyway, now that that's cleared up...carry on.

An unloaded gun is just a paper weight. Absolutely no reason to even carry one in your vehicle or on your person if it isn't loaded. I've got one in the pipe 100% of the time. You'll lose the fight every time if it isn't.

 

[EKYHunter]

An unloaded gun is just a paper weight. Absolutely no reason to even carry one in your vehicle or on your person if it isn't loaded. I've got one in the pipe 100% of the time. You'll lose the fight every time if it isn't.

Exactly.

 

[ismith]

An unloaded gun is just a paper weight. Absolutely no reason to even carry one in your vehicle or on your person if it isn't loaded. I've got one in the pipe 100% of the time. You'll lose the fight every time if it isn't.

Lock and load, brides of Christ……

 

[Hunting Wife]

For those who apparently haven’t paid attention for nearly the last decade…after years of “defund the police” and an ignorant public armchair quarterbacking every LE incident, and all the pitchforks and torches even when an officer did nothing wrong, is it any surprise that most reasonable people are a hard no on applying for LE jobs?

Not sure why the DEI and misogynistic turn, but I guess it isn’t surprising lately.

 

[Lota lota]

For those who apparently haven’t paid attention for nearly the last decade…after years of “defund the police” and an ignorant public armchair quarterbacking every LE incident, and all the pitchforks and torches even when an officer did nothing wrong, is it any surprise that most reasonable people are a hard no on applying for LE jobs?

Not sure why the DEI and misogynistic turn, but I guess it isn’t surprising lately.

I'm not misogynistic at all. I'm simply pointing out the biological differences between men and women, their mindset, physical capabilities and their role as an LEO. Like I said in my previous post...I knew of maybe two women LEO's that I trusted to back me up when shit hit the fan. Male LEO's just operate, communicate and compute the situation differently than women. It's no fault of your own...it's biological and that's the way it is. I just don't think they should work in Law Enforcement. It opens up so many doors for assaults, lawsuits...hell even death.

 

[peterk1234]

I just saw the video. She had her finger in the trigger guard and pulled the trigger. Then she switched the gun to her other hand after shooting the guy and again puts the finger inside the trigger guard. Yikes.

 

[Hunting Wife]

It's no fault of your own...it's biological and that's the way it is.

Yeah, yeah, been hearing a certain type of men tell me this my whole life as the reason I can’t do (insert activity/profession here). It’s incredibly condescending.

I do it anyway. No factor.

Pretty positive poor gun handling is not a sex-linked trait.

 

[ismith]

Yeah, yeah, been hearing a certain type of men tell me this my whole life as the reason I can’t do (insert activity/profession here). It’s incredibly condescending.

I do it anyway. No factor.

Pretty positive poor gun handling is not a sex-linked trait.

For those who apparently haven’t paid attention for nearly the last decade…after years of “defund the police” and an ignorant public armchair quarterbacking every LE incident, and all the pitchforks and torches even when an officer did nothing wrong, is it any surprise that most reasonable people are a hard no on applying for LE jobs?

Not sure why the DEI and misogynistic turn, but I guess it isn’t surprising lately.

How do you feel about the military draft?

 

[Lota lota]

Yeah, yeah, been hearing a certain type of men tell me this my whole life as the reason I can’t do (insert activity/profession here). It’s incredibly condescending.

I do it anyway. No factor.

Pretty positive poor gun handling is not a sex-linked trait.

Not condescending at all. You (and women) are free to do whatever you want. I just don't think law enforcement is a safe career for you. Have you worked in law enforcement previously? And I could argue the safe gun handling between men/women until the cows come home...but I'm not going to open that can of worms.

 

[Lota lota]

How do you feel about the military draft?

Equality for all! Women should be on the draft from 18-26 like men if they truly believe that.

 

[TheJason]

I would say men in LE have done a pretty good job of opening the door to assaults, lawsuits, and even death.

Not every woman who enters LE is cut out for it. Same with men. Being a bad cop isn’t unique nor exclusive to either gender, nor is being a darned good one.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Yeah, yeah, been hearing a certain type of men tell me this my whole life as the reason I can’t do (insert activity/profession here). It’s incredibly condescending.

I do it anyway. No factor.

Pretty positive poor gun handling is not a sex-linked trait.

I'm not misogynistic at all. I'm simply pointing out the biological differences between men and women, their mindset, physical capabilities and their role as an LEO. Like I said in my previous post...I knew of maybe two women LEO's that I trusted to back me up when shit hit the fan. Male LEO's just operate, communicate and compute the situation differently than women. It's no fault of your own...it's biological and that's the way it is. I just don't think they should work in Law Enforcement. It opens up so many doors for assaults, lawsuits...hell even death.

There are plenty of women in law enforcement that are competent. Hiring a person mentally, physically, or otherwise incapable is possible independent of gender.

I wont disagree that the average woman is less physically capable than the average man - but averages dont define individuals and individuals define job performance...

 

[ismith]

I would say men in LE have done a pretty good job of opening the door to assaults, lawsuits, and even death.

Not every woman who enters LE is cut out for it. Same with men. Being a bad cop isn’t unique nor exclusive to either gender, nor is being a darned good one.

How do YOU feel about selective service?