Officer shoots driver w his own gun

Wind Gypsy said:
1 a month.. Yeah holy shit.
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This may stir the pot...but I'm just going to say it. I don't agree with women working in law enforcement. I did it for five years and worked with maybe two that I would trust to help me out in a situation. It got to the point that if we were clearing a house and we were in a stack, I would have the female officer in front of me because I honestly felt like I would get shot in the back. They aren't as physically capable as men when dealing with combative subjects. Also, at no fault of their own, they use emotion over logic when dealing with hectic situations.
 
Lota lota said:
This may stir the pot...but I'm just going to say it. I don't agree with women working in law enforcement. I did it for five years and worked with maybe two that I would trust to help me out in a situation. It got to the point that if we were clearing a house and we were in a stack, I would have the female officer in front of me because I honestly felt like I would get shot in the back. They aren't as physically capable as men when dealing with combative subjects. Also, at no fault of their own, they use emotion over logic when dealing with hectic situations.
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This is the common sense type stuff that has been thrown out the window in the interest of DEI.
 
Maybe that department will rethink the practice of unnecessarily disarming people who are legally carrying for a traffic stop. "For my safety and your safety" we'll have you step out of the vehicle (increases risk profile) and we'll have an officer reach into your holster and retrieve a loaded weapon that was previously not being touched (again, increases risk profile).
 
Lota lota said:
This may stir the pot...but I'm just going to say it. I don't agree with women working in law enforcement. I did it for five years and worked with maybe two that I would trust to help me out in a situation. It got to the point that if we were clearing a house and we were in a stack, I would have the female officer in front of me because I honestly felt like I would get shot in the back. They aren't as physically capable as men when dealing with combative subjects. Also, at no fault of their own, they use emotion over logic when dealing with hectic situations.
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You know the funny thing I've noticed when this topic gets brought up, people conveniently forget that anger is an emotion. There's plenty of male officers who react in anger when their pride is damaged and escalate tense situations. Verbally and physically.
 
TheJason said:
I’ve seen a number of really good women cops.
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I have too...but I'm just saying they operate differently than men. I've also been in countless situations where they unnecessarily escalated the situation with someone when it didn't need to be done.
 
np307 said:
You know the funny thing I've noticed when this topic gets brought up, people conveniently forget that anger is an emotion. There's plenty of male officers who react in anger when their pride is damaged and escalate tense situations. Verbally and physically.
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Well I agree with that to some extent. There's a time and a place for getting aggressive with a subject but I have never witnessed "unjust" treatment of someone.
 
np307 said:
Maybe that department will rethink the practice of unnecessarily disarming people who are legally carrying for a traffic stop. "For my safety and your safety" we'll have you step out of the vehicle (increases risk profile) and we'll have an officer reach into your holster and retrieve a loaded weapon that was previously not being touched (again, increases risk profile).
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If it were me in that traffic stop...I would have asked where the gun was at and just kept him in the vehicle with it. You have to read the room. If the guy is angry and combative...you probably don't want a gun on him. This guy was completely polite and cooperative. Working in Montana I assumed everyone had a gun in their vehicle so I didn't get too hung up on that.
 
TheJason said:
It’s very rare to find an incident where a Glock weapon discharged unintentionally, where there wasn’t glaring violation(s) of safety rules. Probably the most common is not physically and visually inspecting the chamber prior to pressing the trigger to allow for disassembly.
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FIFY

I'm more familiar with industrial accidents. Having said that. LE is an industry, if you will. Accident Root Cause Analysis virtually always points to a couple of places where the outcome could have been changed in the events leading up to the accident. ND comes at the end of a series of events. Call them handling errors if you want.

I would love to see the statistics for LEOs killed or injured by teammates vs citizens.

I digress. This may be a bottom of the barrel hire, or the department may have sub-standard training practices. Most of us here have spent untold hours in gun safety and handling weapons. We watch this and apply that background.

I suspect the OP was trying to say this is a DEI issue without risking actually writing it "out loud". How many of us shook our heads at the video of the US Secret Service agent unable to re-holster her weapon under stress during the Trump near miss. I personally have done a lot of dry fire draw, shoot, re-holster training. Then I've done it live fire. What I have not done is do it under stress.

Asking you LEOs - how many hours of training have you done drawing another's weapon from their holster. I'm going out on a limb and say it is not to the "under stress, muscle memory" level.

In the end I'm going to look to myself. I commit to be as safe as I can be in my weapons handling and to keep training. All with the goal of never having to pull.
 
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44hunter45 said:
FIFY

I'm more familiar with industrial accidents. Having said that. LE is an industry, if you will. Accident Root Cause Analysis virtually always points to a couple of places where the outcome could have been changed in the events leading up to the accident. ND comes at the end of a series of events. Call them handling errors if you will.

I would love to see the statistics for LEOs killed or injured by teammates vs citizens.

I digress. This may be a bottom of the barrel hire, or the department may have sub-standard training practices. Most of us here have spent untold hours in gun safety and handling weapons. We watch this and apply that background.

I suspect the OP was trying to say this is a DEI issue without risking actually writing it "out loud". How many of us shook our heads at the video of the US Secret Service agent unable to re-holster her weapon under stress during the Trump near miss. I personally have done a lot of dry fire draw, shoot, re-holster training. Then I've done it live fire. What I have not done is do it under stress.

Asking you LEOs - how many hours of training have you done drawing another's weapon from their holster. I'm going out on a limb and say it is not to the "under stress, muscle memory" level.

In the end I'm going to look to myself. I commit to be as safe as I can be in my weapons handling and to keep training. All with the goal of never having to pull.
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It shouldn't have been a "stressful" situation for them. The subject was totally cooperative and under control. She simply had to unholster his firearm and evidently didn't index her finger while pulling it out and shot him in the leg.
 
Lota lota said:
It shouldn't have been a "stressful" situation for them. The subject was totally cooperative and under control. She simply had to unholster his firearm and evidently didn't index her finger while pulling it out and shot him in the leg.
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None of us can say what causes another stress. It may have been their (pronoun alert!) first day one the job.

I understand what the task required to do safely. It would not cause me (or obviously you) stress. I'm saying we can't get in this officer's head to know what their stress level was.

This should become an officer training video. Not a chick cop bashing video.
 
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44hunter45 said:
None of us can say what causes another stress. It may have been their (pronoun alert!) first day one the job.

I understand the what the task required to do safely. It would not cause me (or obviously you) stress. I'm saying we can't get in this officer's head to know what their stress level was.

This should become an officer training video. Not a chick cop bashing video.
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Not bashing them. Just simply pointing out their defaults compared to male officers.
 
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