New Mexico Landowner tags. ELK Hunters
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cgasner1
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You should try worrying about the issues in your own backyard 95/5 split and half of those go to outfitters. Or that stupid preference system the unit I grew up hunting takes me 13 + points as a non resident now. With the preference I just watch it get farther and farther away while my hunting partner still hunts it about every other year
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Or at least no to day drinking and typing out oral diarrhea. Gotta choose one or the other.
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Westelker
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As I've said before on these posts where a non-res is complaining about such and such state.
Nobody is forcing you to apply there. The state gets to set the rules and you have abide by them whether you like it or not. You play the game within the confines of those rules or you just don't play.
As a non-res you have no say and should not have any say in how the state sets the rules.
Nobody is forcing you to apply there. The state gets to set the rules and you have abide by them whether you like it or not. You play the game within the confines of those rules or you just don't play.
As a non-res you have no say and should not have any say in how the state sets the rules.
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My 2 cents. Texas has no open land to hunt like a lot of other states. No Nat'l forest land or public land. We have nothing but land to own or lease for WT, hogs, turkey, coyotes, mule deer far west Tx and those high fenced exotic ranches that cost an arm and leg to hunt. However, Tx does have some draw hunts for said animals on state owned property. There are also hunts for nilgai, pronghorn and big horn sheep. While the cost of resident vs NR license might differ, these draws are open to ANYONE not just residents. Everyone who applies has the same chance regardless. I think its fair. Luck of the draw just like playing the lottery. I think some of the other states should adopt some other way of allocating the percentages across the board so everyone has a chance to benefit in a more, not saying equal perse, but better odds of getting drawn.
Even in TX I've heard arguments on LO charging so much for a hunting lease. The cost of the land, maintaining the land, property taxes etc. Most that have acres and acres of land have had it passed down from generations of family, or rich enough to buy it. I'm sorry but if you own 1000+acres and only have worked 100 of it for ranching/farming the rest is going to be the same as if you didn't own or not. The critters are going to be there no matter what. Property tax for some of that land in certain areas is dirt cheap. Put some scrub cattle on it and get ag-exempt also.
You can please some of the people some of the time and all the people none of the time!
Even in TX I've heard arguments on LO charging so much for a hunting lease. The cost of the land, maintaining the land, property taxes etc. Most that have acres and acres of land have had it passed down from generations of family, or rich enough to buy it. I'm sorry but if you own 1000+acres and only have worked 100 of it for ranching/farming the rest is going to be the same as if you didn't own or not. The critters are going to be there no matter what. Property tax for some of that land in certain areas is dirt cheap. Put some scrub cattle on it and get ag-exempt also.
You can please some of the people some of the time and all the people none of the time!
Ballistic
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Oh good. Another misspelled rant by someone who cant buy a tag and thinks Landowners are getting rich from PLO tags.
They'll just drive the Elk off for cattle you goof. Speaking of whining......
Bigjay73
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Comparing Texas to western states is like comparing bbq to sushi
yeah probably not the best comparison seeing how bbq is better than sushi! was just pointing out that the draw hunts are open to anyone (no preference to resident vs NR) and everyone has an equal chance.
Redraider7
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Texas has open national forest and walk in public land you can hunt. I have never hunted National Forest in Texas but if you live in East Texas maybe checkout Sam Houston National Forest regulations.
But to your point it’s not nearly as much land or high quality compared to western states.
That depends on what you consider reasonably priced.
The more states there are that offer them, the more reasonable the price will become (scarcity principle).
Archelk
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I think the system is rigged in favor of NR! I am a resident and have talked to alot of other residents that haven’t drawn tags in years! NMDGF claim the percentages that they alot, but I don’t believe them. Everywhere you go and see hunters during hunting season, seems like they all have out of state plates on their rigs! One commenter above mentioned getting emails about tags that folks have backed out on. I feel it is a money making political ordeal IMO! I just want to hunt and have a good time with my family and friends! Honestly, there are too many hunters nowadays for the system of bygone days, which is great!! I just want a tag!
Hi There, I think when I see the numbers of tags given out in NM and the numbers of res and non res it makes sense why it is so darn hard to draw.
When you look at the odds a NR has you might think different, and it is the luck of the draw. Take the Gila for instance with the numbers of NR and the number of tags given it is like 0.03 % chance and someone has to draw. there are NR and R who have been waiting years and not drawn a tag.
But when you see the numbers of applicants for that state you see why. Hundreds of thousand put in for so few tags.
you can benefit if you can afford it to purchase a Land Ower Tag or put in with an Outfitter the chances in the draw are larger, But, not that much larger.
People look at the NR who draw and again in all the Gila hunts there are only 8-12 tags given out for NR and 60,000 applicants and with residents there are 55-65 tags given out with 100,000 + applicants. So, the % are low very low.
In my opinion it's definitely not rigged for NR.
In our state it's the same guys will say the exact same things because someone has to draw, and the NR tags are always gone but so are the res tags.
When the hunting News media blows it up about the elk numbers and sizes killed everyone wants a piece of the action.
Utah like NM and MT have hundreds of thousands of applicants and very few tags.
With the point systems in all but 2 or 3 states is even worse. once you use those points your chances go to what NM is 0,03% chance to draw and you just don't draw.
At least NM along with a couple other states is a fair chance to draw and everyone has the same chance just such low numbers of tags Given out each year.
So, I hear you, but no one has a better chance than the next it's like the lottery all damn luck of the draw and a computer spits it out.
I dont think you'd like a point system here at all so ya take a chance as we all do if we draw you thank God you drew because it was the luck of the draw.
Mike76
When you look at the odds a NR has you might think different, and it is the luck of the draw. Take the Gila for instance with the numbers of NR and the number of tags given it is like 0.03 % chance and someone has to draw. there are NR and R who have been waiting years and not drawn a tag.
But when you see the numbers of applicants for that state you see why. Hundreds of thousand put in for so few tags.
you can benefit if you can afford it to purchase a Land Ower Tag or put in with an Outfitter the chances in the draw are larger, But, not that much larger.
People look at the NR who draw and again in all the Gila hunts there are only 8-12 tags given out for NR and 60,000 applicants and with residents there are 55-65 tags given out with 100,000 + applicants. So, the % are low very low.
In my opinion it's definitely not rigged for NR.
In our state it's the same guys will say the exact same things because someone has to draw, and the NR tags are always gone but so are the res tags.
When the hunting News media blows it up about the elk numbers and sizes killed everyone wants a piece of the action.
Utah like NM and MT have hundreds of thousands of applicants and very few tags.
With the point systems in all but 2 or 3 states is even worse. once you use those points your chances go to what NM is 0,03% chance to draw and you just don't draw.
At least NM along with a couple other states is a fair chance to draw and everyone has the same chance just such low numbers of tags Given out each year.
So, I hear you, but no one has a better chance than the next it's like the lottery all damn luck of the draw and a computer spits it out.
I dont think you'd like a point system here at all so ya take a chance as we all do if we draw you thank God you drew because it was the luck of the draw.
Mike76
The numbers in the lottery are set and nonresidents only get 6% which is published fact. Where the number of nonresidents on the landscape increase is the eplus welfare system which primarily benefits the nonresident. Units such as 12 have nearly as many eplus tags as lottery draw tags
I dont know about the eplus. All I know is what they indicate the NR get at 6% with the low numbers is only as indicated on a Gila hunt less than 0.033% chance to draw.
Maybe I should apply for an eplus tag then huh tell me more. Look at the total NR draw in the state. and R draw in the state. Its still a luck of the draw no matter how you look at it.
Maybe I should apply for an eplus tag then huh tell me more. Look at the total NR draw in the state. and R draw in the state. Its still a luck of the draw no matter how you look at it.
It’s not a draw. It’s a landowner voucher that you can buy if you have an extra 7-20k laying around. So no it’s not a luck thing it’s a money thing
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