Forkyfinder
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How?It should be pointed out that this is a fight between labor and capital. Has been for hundreds of years. Labor continues to make odd decisions.
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How?It should be pointed out that this is a fight between labor and capital. Has been for hundreds of years. Labor continues to make odd decisions.
Look at the stock market.How?
Maybe it is between labor and capital.Look at the stock market.
I would bet that none of those people make so much that the standard deduction doesn't sufficiently cover their tax obligation. Promising voters stuff that doesn't really matter is a great tactic.Maybe it is between labor and capital.
I think thats an over simplification. But if its that simple - i see why lots of folks voted for a guy promising tax free OT and taxless tips.
They're going to be so happy when their paychecks go up and so mad when their tax refund goes down lolI would bet that none of those people make so much that the standard deduction doesn't sufficiently cover their tax obligation. Promising voters stuff that doesn't really matter is a great tactic.
None of the people working OT or for tips make above 12k? P.s. sure glad its 2x what it used to be (the standard deductions).I would bet that none of those people make so much that the standard deduction doesn't sufficiently cover their tax obligation. Promising voters stuff that doesn't really matter is a great tactic.
I think you’re right about that it will just change how the ot is taxed. With that though I have worked over 500 hours of ot a year for well over the last decade every year. I’ve had paychecks with over 100 hours of ot. That’s on top of my regular 80. A change in the tax model will be good for moral for guys when they have to do that. I guess until you’ve spent that much time with a head lamp on in knee deep snow you won’t understand see a paycheck At 40%They're going to be so happy when their paychecks go up and so mad when their tax refund goes down lol
Maybe. Depends on how much gets cut out from other places.At least the federal deficit isn’t an existential threat anymore, at least for the next 4 years. Would be awfully hard to pay for all these across-the-board tax cuts without running up the deficit.
Very true. I ask all the time, what will people think when they’re no more everyday blue collar Monatans left in certain sections of Montana?First time in 128 years that Montana has been pure red in all those positions we voted on last night. I did not think Busse had a chance. I do hope when Knudsen runs for Governor in 4 years, Tester runs against him. We are not making Ds anymore who would appeal to Montanans. Tester had a great run. Personally, I did want 126 to pass, as I thought it was our only hope for moderating politics in this age of the internet.
The whole "Native Montanan" virtue, "Rich Out-of-Stater" vice, is no longer a Montana zeitgeist and I largely expect it to be abandoned moving forward. Montana is increasingly dominated by all those newcomers for better or worse.
Politically, Montanans are increasingly governed by those with a lack of knowledge of rural life, for better or worse.
Numbers I have seen say about 1/3 of those in service jobs don’t make enough, so it may help more than my response implied. But I would image that there could be other impacts like base hourly wages may get cut or customers may start tipping less.None of the people working OT or for tips make above 12k? P.s. sure glad its 2x what it used to be (the standard deductions).
The richest working people i know (except on top corporate chain or middle management) are people making an hourly rate and OT. Welders. Linemen. Plumbers. Electricians. Boilermakers.
As far as tips - i imagine itd shock you what a lot of servers make too, though a lot of it never ends up getting claimed.
Useful skills/labor is compensated pretty well in todays day and age. The affordability crisis is inflation driven. If it were just "greed" as i presume you think, where was that greed during 2018/19?
If anything - way too many useless things around that are a total drain on soceity, like lobbyists, making money on grifting the taxpayer and special interest groups manipulating our government and trustees.
Tax cuts dont always cause a loss of revenue for the irs.At least the federal deficit isn’t an existential threat anymore, at least for the next 4 years. Would be awfully hard to pay for all these across-the-board tax cuts without running up the deficit.
I grabbed a sandwich the other day and the tipping for the restaurant offered 18-22-25. That has also gone off off the rails 20% use to be for great service at a great restaurant not walking out with a sandwich. I can’t remember the number but what is taken on ot from blue collar workers is pennies compared to all the other taxing. But I do think it will just be a rework of how it’s taken from your check.Numbers I have seen say about 1/3 of those in service jobs don’t make enough, so it may help more than my response implied. But I would image that there could be other impacts like base hourly wages may get cut or customers may start tipping less.
OT is a different beast. DOL will probably rescind the Biden requirement level on OT pay. As others have pointed out, the problem is it widens the hole in the budget. Let’s see where the cuts come from. The republicans in the House haven’t been able to pass a budget in years due to infighting. I expect that to get worse before it gets better.
It seems that the core Democratic position of abortion access must not be a priority issue for the majority of voters, yet when given the option to support it, there is resounding support.
When I go to these types of shops I use the no tip option. Why reward a tip for being able to walk to get a simple item and hand it to me. What makes the service they are paid to do so exceptional that it requires extra pay? Tipping has gotten out of hand, especially with the card readers. The values you're offered are nothing short of greedy and an attempt to intimidate you into paying.On tipping:
Suggested tip % at a Missoula coffee shop the other day was 25 ,35, & 50%
Im all for tipping I gave my haircut lady about a 130% tip the other day it was the cash I had on me and that poor girl is busting her ass trying to make sure her daughter has better. Giving the kid at Jimmy John’s a 22% tip just doesn’t sit well with me for some reasonOn tipping:
Suggested tip % at a Missoula coffee shop the other day was 25 ,35, & 50%
What are these haircuts of which you speak?Im all for tipping I gave my haircut lady about a 130% tip the other day it was the cash I had on me and that poor girl is busting her ass trying to make sure her daughter has better. Giving the kid at Jimmy John’s a 22% tip just doesn’t sit well with me for some reason