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The House wont give up on ANWR and then I read more BS. Land Grabbing by the Feds and the taxpayers having to foot more welfare to businesses.
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Ithaca 37
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As long as the oil is there somebody will be trying to get their hands on it.
BigHornyRam
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As long as you guys keep driving cars with gas combustion engines, and continue to use all the other products derived from oil, it has to be drilled from somewhere. I sure as hell would prefer to do it on our soil, with our labor.
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The ANWR was just to get y'all to look.
This is the part of the article that bothers me the most.
"The Resource panel passed a series of financial incentives aimed at spurring production of oil, natural gas and coal.
The bill would allow producers to forego paying federal royalties when developing deep offshore wells in search of natural gas in the Gulf of Mexico and off Alaska, remove limits on how many acres coal companies may lease and require the government to reimburse energy companies for the cost of meeting environmental reviews.
Rep. Nick Rahall, D-West Virginia, called it "a buffet table" for the oil and gas industry.
"Robin Hood is turning in his grave," said Rahall, but a Democratic attempt to gut some of the royalty benefits was defeated 27-15.
Republicans called the industry incentives necessary to spur domestic energy production and get producers to drill high-risk wells. With a war in Iraq, "doesn't it make sense for us to adopt some sensible policies that will boost our energy security?" argued Rep. Richard Pombo, R-California, the Resource panel's chairman.
Meanwhile, the House Energy and Commerce Committee, working until nearly midnight Wednesday, wrapped up other parts of the energy package.
The legislation would require refiners to use at least 5 billion gallons a year of corn-based ethanol in gasoline by 2015, a mandate that is expected to be a boon to corn farmers. The industry now produces about 2.5 billion gallons annually.
When Rep. Lois Capps, D-California, sought to also ban MTBE, another gasoline additive, that has been widely blamed for contaminating drinking water, her amendment was turned back, 32-18. Instead, lawmakers approved liability protection for MTBE manufactures who might face environmental lawsuits.
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, whose district includes MTBE manufacturers, said the refiners turned to MTBE because of federal clean air rules, and should not be penalized. Numerous states already are moving to phase out MTBE use because of environmental concerns, he said.
The House legislation also would:
• Give the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission authority to order the taking of private land for power line construction if a state does not act.
• Streamline federal approval of hydroelectric dams.
• Rescind a Depression-era law that restricted certain mergers among large power holding companies. Consumer groups argued the law shouldn't be scrapped unless FERC is given more authority to deal with merger abuses. "
anymore thoughts?
This is the part of the article that bothers me the most.
"The Resource panel passed a series of financial incentives aimed at spurring production of oil, natural gas and coal.
The bill would allow producers to forego paying federal royalties when developing deep offshore wells in search of natural gas in the Gulf of Mexico and off Alaska, remove limits on how many acres coal companies may lease and require the government to reimburse energy companies for the cost of meeting environmental reviews.
Rep. Nick Rahall, D-West Virginia, called it "a buffet table" for the oil and gas industry.
"Robin Hood is turning in his grave," said Rahall, but a Democratic attempt to gut some of the royalty benefits was defeated 27-15.
Republicans called the industry incentives necessary to spur domestic energy production and get producers to drill high-risk wells. With a war in Iraq, "doesn't it make sense for us to adopt some sensible policies that will boost our energy security?" argued Rep. Richard Pombo, R-California, the Resource panel's chairman.
Meanwhile, the House Energy and Commerce Committee, working until nearly midnight Wednesday, wrapped up other parts of the energy package.
The legislation would require refiners to use at least 5 billion gallons a year of corn-based ethanol in gasoline by 2015, a mandate that is expected to be a boon to corn farmers. The industry now produces about 2.5 billion gallons annually.
When Rep. Lois Capps, D-California, sought to also ban MTBE, another gasoline additive, that has been widely blamed for contaminating drinking water, her amendment was turned back, 32-18. Instead, lawmakers approved liability protection for MTBE manufactures who might face environmental lawsuits.
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, whose district includes MTBE manufacturers, said the refiners turned to MTBE because of federal clean air rules, and should not be penalized. Numerous states already are moving to phase out MTBE use because of environmental concerns, he said.
The House legislation also would:
• Give the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission authority to order the taking of private land for power line construction if a state does not act.
• Streamline federal approval of hydroelectric dams.
• Rescind a Depression-era law that restricted certain mergers among large power holding companies. Consumer groups argued the law shouldn't be scrapped unless FERC is given more authority to deal with merger abuses. "
anymore thoughts?
JoseCuervo
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I have never completely understood the rush to drill in the US, and in Alaska, just to reduce dependence on foreign oil. It seems that using somebody else's oil (Middle East), Indonesia, South America)) is a good thing, and if you need to you could always fall back on our reserves.
Doesn't it seem like a good idea to drill in somebody else's front yard, and leave ours alone. It seems like money in the bank.
And the idea of more Hydro dams is flippin' ridiculous. Here we are spending money to figure out how to breach dams on the Lower Snake, and somebody else is wanting to build more. Sounds like a Welfare project....
Doesn't it seem like a good idea to drill in somebody else's front yard, and leave ours alone. It seems like money in the bank.
And the idea of more Hydro dams is flippin' ridiculous. Here we are spending money to figure out how to breach dams on the Lower Snake, and somebody else is wanting to build more. Sounds like a Welfare project....
I will be for drilling in ANWR when they start getting tougher on efficiency requirements for vehichles. In the same session it was voted to drill ANWR and not increase efficiency requirements for trucks and SUV's. It is estimated that the stricter efficiency standards would have saved more oil than what is under ANWR! That is counter intuitive for me. The upside for us, is with more efficient vehichles supply effectively goes up price goes down!
If you guy'e noticed, they are also putting some thing in so that the farmers will start to produce more ethenal, seems like a good fuel source that can be tapped into, the renewable fuel resource...
I think the ethanol thing will work, but with the conditions of our aquifers, especially Ogalla, I wonder what the long term effects of producing more corn would be. However, I do feel it would be a good alternative for the time being.
Troy Jones
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Kind of tough being victims of comfort.
Open ANWR, thats my opinion. Lets get the job market and economy booming again. For those who are against drilling because they dont want to harm a pristine area, move up to the coastal plains and live for a while. All the blips in commercials about ANWR isnt the area they are talking about. Its my understanding that we ship most of our oil from up here overseas where we get a better price for it. Somehow that just doesnt make sense. Lets keep it in the US.
MarlandS
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Informational question. How many of you all have Ethanol available in your states? even just 10%? How about diesel fuel blended with Soyoil?
We've got varying blends of Ethanol , mostly 10%.. I can remember when that first came out, fuel filters were getting changed regularly, it'll plain clean your tank out.
We've got varying blends of Ethanol , mostly 10%.. I can remember when that first came out, fuel filters were getting changed regularly, it'll plain clean your tank out.
I haven't seen ethanol pumps yet, but have seen a few natural gas vehichles (all state owned) around.
I agree with Joel, if we're going to do it don't ship it overseas let it stay here. That might be a much cheaper alternative then always being involved with politics in the Middle East to protect our oil trade there.
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I agree with Joel, if we're going to do it don't ship it overseas let it stay here. That might be a much cheaper alternative then always being involved with politics in the Middle East to protect our oil trade there.
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