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Montana to suffer from USO decision

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Gunner, you asked how the recent USO decision will hurt resident hunters? Take a look, coming to a (shorter) hunting season near you.

Montana hunters likely to see regulation changes
By RON TSCHIDA, Chronicle Staff Writer

Montana will either have to change its big game hunting regulations or face an inevitable lawsuit from nonresident hunters disgruntled by high fees and limits on the number of licenses available, an attorney for the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks said this week.

That outlook follows a federal judge's ruling that struck down Arizona's 10 percent cap on nonresident elk and deer licenses.
"I just assume that these same plaintiffs or similar plaintiffs are going to challenge our rules," FWP attorney Tom Lane said.

In fact, those Arizona plaintiffs have already come to visit Montana officials, Lane said. They stopped short of saying they'll sue, but pointedly suggested Montana change the way it issues big game license.

U.S. District Judge Robert Broomfield ruled July 13 that by limiting nonresidents to 10 percent of available licenses, Arizona violated the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

A commercial hunter from New Mexico had sued the Arizona Fish and Game Department. He contended the state's rules deprived him of an equal opportunity to obtain elk and deer heads and antlers, which can be worth thousands of dollars to collectors. Broomfield agreed.


Lane said Montana legislators could pass a law next session making it illegal for anyone to sell the hide, head or antlers of a game animal. That could address the commerce issue the Arizona case turned on.

But it wouldn't address a growing resentment on the part of nonresidents who face steep obstacles in some cases to hunt in other states, particularly high-demand Western states.

Like Arizona, Montana has a quota for nonresident elk and deer licenses, currently 11,500. This year, 14,897 people applied for those tags.

One important difference in Montana is that any nonresident can avoid the quota by paying a higher fee for a guaranteed-issue tag, Lane said. That license requires the nonresident to hunt with a licensed guide.

But nonresidents would pay $877, or 55 times the $16 resident elk license fee, for a guaranteed tag. Nonresident hunters can enter a drawing and pay $590 for an elk license if they're lucky enough to get one, still 37 times as much as a resident pays.

Courts have ruled states have a right to treat nonresident hunters differently than residents, Lane said. FWP will probably wait to change its system "until a court tells us it's invalid," he said.

Glenn Erickson, FWP chief of field operations, said if a court action opened Montana to vast new numbers of nonresident hunters, significant changes -- probably in season lengths and types of seasons -- would be required to manage big game herds.

"A lot of those changes would be based on what hunters had to say," Erickson said, adding that the state's rule-making process includes considerable public involvement.
 
Buzz,

If you lifted all quotas for all states, the same year, wouldn't the "balance" quickly be achieved?

When I look at the states I put in for Elk tags, I assume I will draw an out of state tag every couple of years. There is no way I could hunt Idaho, MT, Wyoming, NV, and AZ all in the same year. I would have to "balance" my own applications if it became easier to draw tags.

Right now, I look at the process of applying across all these states as a nuisance, but part of the "cost of doing business" to hunt. This year, I own 4 different hunting licenses.

I also don't think the out of state guys "impact" the hunting, as much as many would like to think. I think Idaho is about 24% success rates on Elk, and if Tags are capped at 10% for non-Res, I don't think managing the Out of state guys is a "make or break" issue. I think the gyu in MT who said they may have to change season lengths may be blowing smoke.

And don't you think the Outfitters would be crying, if Elk seasons dropped down to 4 days??? I can't imagine some big-bellied Texan dropping $7k to hunt in MT for 4 days.
 
EG,
That isn't entirely correct because they will have to end such things as being able to hunt the bow and gun season. We currently enjoy a 5 weeks general big game season. If we lift the cap that most likely will come to an end.

It is also a bad deal for resident hunters in that we live here and pay taxes here. We are the bone heads who chose lifestyle over paychecks. That lifestyle, I know Ithaca hates that term, was desired because of the seasons and abundance of game. Why should a nonresident ever be on equal footing in drawing a tag? If they want to hunt here so bad and want all the "advantages" of being a resident then move here and contribute.

Whenever I go to Canada or even North Dakota I don't expect to pay the same or be treated like a local. It won't balance out because the guys with the big bucks will continue to get guaranteed tags. The guys with just medium $$$ will have a much better chance of drawing here and the locals will get the shaft.

I can't help you if you can't see that. Wildlife and hunting should not become just for wealthy people who want to come out west. That is where the USO thing is headed.

You should be against it because it will place enormous pressure on the public lands because that will be the only place that a local will be able to hunt forked horned mule deer.

Nemont
 
Nemont,

I am probably looking at it thru my Idaho glasses, where we are already forced to choose a bit when and where we hunt. Our Elk seasons have been Zoned up, so that we get 10-20 days for hunting, but if you pick a certain tag, you can't bow hunt ('cept for cows/spikes). That kind of stuff. Idaho seems to have pushed us locals into pick your one best hunt/time, and go for it, the days of hunting Aug 30-Dec 20 are gone, in many ways.

For out of state hunts, I would expect most non-Res would only be interested in a specific 7-day period (or so) and a shorter season would be no impact on them. It is a much greater impact on the local who wants to hunt weekends/after work, and a day-off.

The thing about MT and other states that pisses me off is the Outfitter tags, that allows the TRULY rich to have a tag, if they pay an outfitter $4500 for a horse ride and a plate of hot beans at night. I would advocate "open outfitting", where no preference would be to clients, and guides could hunt the entire state. Bring some competititon to the business.

These issues may all just come down to "What is the problem trying to be addressed?"

Is it that non-residents can't draw tags, or is it that Residents don't want non-residents in their state?
 
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