Montana Preference Point Expiration MT HB637

[WIbiggame]

What percentage of NR’s have the ability to ensure they will be able to apply and hunt three years in a row?

Ones who can afford an outfitter?

 

[Gerald Martin]

Ones who can afford an outfitter?

Oh well. There’s always gonna be more applications than tags available. Didn’t draw last two years? Can’t go this year?
Sucks to be you! Thanks for the $100.
Sincerely,
MT FWP

 

[OntarioHunter]

Jeezus ... what a mess.

 

[WIbiggame]

Oh well. There’s always gonna be more applications than tags available. Didn’t draw last two years? Can’t go this year?
Sucks to be you! Thanks for the $100.
Sincerely,
MT FWP

Thanks for the $250 because it's going to take another 3pts and $150 to draw again.

 

[8andcounting]

Lots of guys will say F the pref points and going into the 0 pp draw. You could draw several years in a row with a little luck

 

[8andcounting]

Thanks for the $250 because it's going to take another 3pts and $150 to draw again.

I thought I heard perhaps pp’s were going up to $100 each ? Any truth to that ?

 

[8andcounting]

I’m not on the up and up on all the new things going on .... how in the hell could a guy keep track they change stuff faster than I change my shorts lol

 

[Kiwi]

I’m not on the up and up on all the new things going on .... how in the hell could a guy keep track they change stuff faster than I change my shorts lol

I agree, especially if you follow all the proposed changes being discussed. Which i shouldn't!

But surely its still 100% odds with 3 preference points for the big game combo?

 

[WIbiggame]

I agree, especially if you follow all the proposed changes being discussed. Which i shouldn't!

But surely its still 100% odds with 3 preference points for the big game combo?

Unless something crazy happens ie there is a ton of people who had 2 pts last year that didn't apply (which with this law is impossible) you will be 100% with 3pts.

Here's how the scenario works:

12880 big game combos available last yr (has been roughly this the last few years)

1pt applicants last year= 15594 successful: 5413
Leaving 10181pt without a tag thus keeping their 1pt and can buy a pt going into this year.

2pt applicants last yr= 4218 with all drawing. So nobody that applied will have 3pts. Assuming there isn't

So assuming none of the 10181 unsuccessful got returned tags there will be 10181 going into the draw with 2pts.

Unless there are 12000+ people like yourself who have been holding onto points there is no way you won't draw.

 

[TN_Rifle_Junkie]

Unless something crazy happens ie there is a ton of people who had 2 pts last year that didn't apply (which with this law is impossible) you will be 100% with 3pts.

Here's how the scenario works:

12880 big game combos available last yr (has been roughly this the last few years)

1pt applicants last year= 15594 successful: 5413
Leaving 10181pt without a tag thus keeping their 1pt and can buy a pt going into this year.

2pt applicants last yr= 4218 with all drawing. So nobody that applied will have 3pts. Assuming there isn't

So assuming none of the 10181 unsuccessful got returned tags there will be 10181 going into the draw with 2pts.

Unless there are 12000+ people like yourself who have been holding onto points there is no way you won't draw.

My wife and I have been holding onto points and are going into draw with MAX PP for Deer/Elk Combo this year. We are burning our points and probably not going to return to MT until they can wither fix the mix up, or let PP go higher than 3.

 

[WIbiggame]

@TN_Rifle_Junkie thats a shame too because this state has so much potential. I am walking away after 8 years and some amazing memories myself. Good luck on your hunt.

 

[Kiwi]

Unless something crazy happens ie there is a ton of people who had 2 pts last year that didn't apply (which with this law is impossible) you will be 100% with 3pts.

Here's how the scenario works:

12880 big game combos available last yr (has been roughly this the last few years)

1pt applicants last year= 15594 successful: 5413
Leaving 10181pt without a tag thus keeping their 1pt and can buy a pt going into this year.

2pt applicants last yr= 4218 with all drawing. So nobody that applied will have 3pts. Assuming there isn't

So assuming none of the 10181 unsuccessful got returned tags there will be 10181 going into the draw with 2pts.

Unless there are 12000+ people like yourself who have been holding onto points there is no way you won't draw.

Excellent info, thanks. Seems like as certain as drawing a ‘draw’ tag gets. Can’t wait to get back to MT.

 

[Kiwi]

@TN_Rifle_Junkie thats a shame too because this state has so much potential. I am walking away after 8 years and some amazing memories myself. Good luck on your hunt.

Yes, agreed. I’ve only been to MT twice but clearly it should be a public land hunters paradise.

 

[CUElk]

I thought I heard perhaps pp’s were going up to $100 each ? Any truth to that ?

Yep. Read that last night. Stuck it to the diy crowd good. So much for being able to plan. Well I guess I’ll start scouting Wyoming and Colorado a little more. Thanks for the last 17 years Montana. See ya

 

[SC Living Outdoors]

Why do they have to make this so confusing. It just doesn't make sense to me. Draw systems don't have to be confusing.

 

[Hunt&FishCO]

Well I guess I’ll start scouting Wyoming and Colorado a little more. Thanks for the last 17 years Montana. See ya

Our new pack of wolves pushed all the elk into Utah - probably would focus scouting and building points there (and WY)

:sarcasm:

 

[jt13]

Glad I went when I did. I'm not sure if I'll be able to go back any time soon due to other life circumstances so hopefully in a few years they'll have this all sorted out.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Apply for 380 elk and 270 mule deer, which is effectively the same thing as buying a point. When you don’t draw, you can turn back your general combo automatically.

You can turn your combo in but only for an 80% refund, correct?

Things have changed a lot in the last 2 years, but in 2017 I tried essentially what you suggest and all in between bonus points, pref points and the refund charge plus stamps etc it was like $300 a year for a NR to build points.

Screw that…

 

[Hem]

Should help take some pressure off of our does.

 

[wtrfwlhunter]

I understand the frustrations here regarding cost and overall structure of the system. However I can’t help but think back to the last couple seasons of people complaining that they can no longer draw with 0-1 point consistently. Playing devils advocate, if this effectively takes people out of the game of stacking PP’s to “plan” for three years+ out for general tags then maybe the intent is to make it easier to draw at lower point levels. If that case turns out to be true then I really don’t have problem with it, as you all know it seems a lot of people buy points just to have them...