Montana mule deer rant

I haven't posted my hunt recap yet, but I'm glad dad and I shot whitetails in Montana. I was really hoping to tag my first mule deer buck, but was legitimately worried about shooting one that would be deemed unworthy by this crowd. We put the stalk on what appeared to me to be a good one, but it didn't work out. Tagged a healthy whitetail before another muley gave me the chance.

Honestly kind of hung a damper on my trip until I tagged out.
I have yet to see someone picked on for shooting a certain size of mule deer. Speaking for myself and most, I don’t think anyone cares about an individual shooting a small or young buck. It’s the collective of an almost unregulated management system that barely allows any public land mule deer bucks to survive puberty. Pretty much everyone here would shake your hand and congratulate you even if you shot a younger buck.
 
I have yet to see someone picked on for shooting a certain size of mule deer. Speaking for myself and most, I don’t think anyone cares about an individual shooting a small or young buck. It’s the collective of an almost unregulated management system that barely allows any public land mule deer bucks to survive puberty. Pretty much everyone here would shake your hand and congratulate you even if you shot a younger buck.


I was once in the boat of “if it’s not big or old then shoot a doe”. Now I’m in the boat of “please shoot the buck or the whitetail but not the mule deer does”. Montanas mule deer need all the help they can get and that help isn’t going to come from FWP anytime soon
 
I haven't posted my hunt recap yet, but I'm glad dad and I shot whitetails in Montana. I was really hoping to tag my first mule deer buck, but was legitimately worried about shooting one that would be deemed unworthy by this crowd. We put the stalk on what appeared to me to be a good one, but it didn't work out. Tagged a healthy whitetail before another muley gave me the chance.

Honestly kind of hung a damper on my trip until I tagged out.
Let’s see em!?
 
Fawn recruitment is not great, seeing several groups of mule deer does in SE Mt with no fawns, or 1-2 fawns per 4-5 does. Whitetail does on the Milk River that had an excellent crop of fawns through September have very few fawns by mid-October, coyotes severely hurt fawn numbers between September 1 and October 20.
Throw in a few mountain lions, an occasional wolf(been 2 sighted near home recently) and way to many hunters and then wonder why we see no deer??
What? I'm seeing mule deer does with triplets everywhere. I have easily seen a couple hundred deer already and can only recall seeing one doe without a fawn. Lots of muley fawns everywhere. Never seen such a crop of young ones. Looks like the drought beat up on the range in the places I hunt but still lots of deer. Too many. With CWD on the rise it's not good seeing thirty deer running together this early.
 
What? I'm seeing mule deer does with triplets everywhere. I have easily seen a couple hundred deer already and can only recall seeing one doe without a fawn. Lots of muley fawns everywhere. Never seen such a crop of young ones. Looks like the drought beat up on the range in the places I hunt but still lots of deer. Too many. With CWD on the rise it's not good seeing thirty deer running together this early.
You know those little thumbnail pictures where you really can't identify what is actually in it? That is the world you live in. Montana is actually bigger than that.
 
Leaves lots of big 3pts to pass on bad genetics. My wife loves to shoot them
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This is a find example of a picture is worth a thousand words. The last thing we need to do is to focus the buck harvest on the bucks with the best potential at a younger age. Not going to help if you are looking to grow better bucks and if the older bucks are the issue with CWD a four point restriction is also a bad idea.
 
What? I'm seeing mule deer does with triplets everywhere. I have easily seen a couple hundred deer already and can only recall seeing one doe without a fawn. Lots of muley fawns everywhere. Never seen such a crop of young ones. Looks like the drought beat up on the range in the places I hunt but still lots of deer. Too many. With CWD on the rise it's not good seeing thirty deer running together this early
Micro management is what the mule deer of this state need, Not only region by region, but unit by unit.
Thank you for making my point.
 
Micro management is what the mule deer of this state need, Not only region by region, but unit by unit.
Thank you for making my point.
Micro management is a nice concept but this is a huge state with limited resources (that have to be squandered on pheasant farms to provide birds for the kiddies to shoot). May not be very practical.
 
It’s coyotes, mountain lions and drought
A couple years ago at a meeting in Dillon an old timer waited until the end and finally stood up to say his piece. “I’m sick of hearing about the wolves and lions and bears killing all the deer. You wanna know what’s killing ‘em? It’s bullets!”
 
What? I'm seeing mule deer does with triplets everywhere. I have easily seen a couple hundred deer already and can only recall seeing one doe without a fawn. Lots of muley fawns everywhere. Never seen such a crop of young ones. Looks like the drought beat up on the range in the places I hunt but still lots of deer. Too many. With CWD on the rise it's not good seeing thirty deer running together this early.
Those aren’t triplets. It’s an orphan fawn picked up by another doe because someone blazed momma.
 
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