MALA and your money

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I hesitate to make this post, but given I have gotten a lot of questions, even some HT members, about the markets recently I thought it may be useful. It is more an economic thread than political one, but it is hard to separate the two these day.

There is an idea going around called the Mar-A-Lago Accords (MALA) that tries to explain what "the plan" is Trump is trying to pull off. Some well-known and credible economists/firms have put out some summaries that I will share below. If the idea gains momentum, I suspect more people will see summaries from their own Financial Advisors and Firms. I suspect a lot of the idea is a post hoc justification of Trump's love of tariffs.

Some have called these summaries sane-washing, which is simply trying to put a rational explanation on something bat-shit crazy, because it attempts to reorder the entire Global economic system. It does not mean it won't work, only that it begs the question of why change the rules of a game we are winning? The summary might appeal to the some and certainly to the Trump base who worries only about the debt and deficits. The reason it gets the sane-washing label is because it is pretty ease to find some holes in the thought process, but I won't go into those. I post it not to rationalize or argue against but to inform, because it will affect your money. I advise not going too far down the economic rabbit hole on this one, but yes, a devalued dollar is the definition of inflation.

My main take-way is if you think this idea works, or maybe even if your don't, Foreign asset denominated in foreign currencies will benefit. For those with a long-term view, take a look at your portfolio or ask your FA about your exposure to the rest of the world, be it EAFE or EM or whatever. A lot of Americans' portfolios are US centric. If you talk to your FA, I would love to hear back their views. Also keep in mind as you read articles that corporations and media have been scared about publicly saying anything negative about this Admin or its ideas.

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You're answering the big question that was pushing me in the 'inflation thread' that I wasn't able to specify then:

What is the current administration's plan, and​
Why/how does he think it's going to work?​

Even if this plan does work, I want to understand the mechanics of such a complex attack on the current system and status quo. I am cognizant that a broken clock works twice a day, so I want to be able to understand the results and how they were caused.
 
If you talk to your FA, I would love to hear back their views.
I don't have an FA, but have selected individual stocks & funds on my own since 2000. I subscribe to the Motley Fool's Stock Advisor and allow them to tell me when to buy, buy more, hold, and sell.

Per Bloomberg, the US Stock market hit correction territory on March 13th. It made it here in the 7th fastest time ever since 1929.

Their (individually, Andy Cross) advice remains as consistent as it was when the markets were great:

"What we can do is manage our temperament, stay invested in quality businesses, and look for opportunities when they come knocking. The time to buy stocks is when no one wants them."​
Someone else added: Everyone is a “buy and hold” investor in the good times. The harder times test the ability of individual investors to stick to those quality traits.
 
Anyone who wants to place their $ where their confident keyboard post holds concern the market is going into whatever your claim to fear leads...
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You "invest" $250 with the potential to make a 100% gain, paid by me if the these market #'s are not higher than present on 03.28.2028. If it is higher, you pay me $250 for you failed short.
Post here so all are witness and it will hold YOU and I accountable.

I've held myself accountable in every auction and event with several hundreds of dollars. I'm good for it. Are you?

I'll accept the first two who hold confidence our market will be worse off by 03.28.2028.

Sytes
 
Stock valuations can veer far from technical projections. People do not have to act rationally. If profits fall due to inflation pressures on components used by manufacturers or tariffs taxes that American companies are assessed yet can’t fully pass on to buyers then that should reduce stock prices of the manufacturing and distribution sectors. If buyers see wages not keep up with inflation that impacts all sectors as consumption ebbs. Heck, even the perception wages will not keep up will change willingness to buy discretionary things.

The next hit to stock prices is price should be a multiple of future profits taking into the cost of money so as interest rates rise as try to dampen inflation then those future profits are discounted more.

Money supply is another factor as Uncle Sam can shrink or expand money in circulation by buying or issuing Federal bonds. Since we have budget deficits, we have to issue more debt but can issue even more than required. Large players in bonds are not stupid though so require more interest premium as the printing presses are churning out $100 bills round the clock.

Inflation, consumer spending, interest rates and money supply create an economic engine that is very challenging to fine-tune when one or more of these is accelerating or slowing.

2001, 2008, 2020 and now 2025 difficult to manage so valuations of stocks whipsaw. Bonds rarely whipsaw but rising interest rates erode existing bond valuations.

I have a good idea what should happen the next 18 months with stocks and sectors of stocks though human nature, wars, pandemics, the health of 80 year-old officials, etc. are wild cards.
 
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It's easy to pivot with a good attitude when it was your preferred administration that won. But for those of us who are incensed over the disrupted status quo, it is tough to evaluate what's going on and how to make the best adjustments.

I couldn't (and won't) say if ex-patriation is the right/wrong answer for some, but I can say that to separate disappointment, anger, and fear from the current problems is a great place to start. After that, step back and see what changes you can make besides voting.

Like the OP, I fear that posting this article will cause some to misunderstand my/its intentions. Most of the examples are MAGA people who are enthusiastic about today's change, but it is constructive since it gives examples on how some Americans have changed course:

 
Anyone who wants to place their $ where their confident keyboard post holds concern the market is going into whatever your claim to fear leads...
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You "invest" $250 with the potential to make a 100% gain, paid by me if the these market #'s are not higher than present on 03.28.2028. If it is higher, you pay me $250 for you failed short.
Post here so all are witness and it will hold YOU and I accountable.

I've held myself accountable in every auction and event with several hundreds of dollars. I'm good for it. Are you?

I'll accept the first two who hold confidence our market will be worse off by 03.28.2028.

Sytes

Anyone who wants to place their $ where their confident keyboard post holds concern the market is going into whatever your claim to fear leads...
View attachment 366067

You "invest" $250 with the potential to make a 100% gain, paid by me if the these market #'s are not higher than present on 03.28.2028. If it is higher, you pay me $250 for you failed short.
Post here so all are witness and it will hold YOU and I accountable.

I've held myself accountable in every auction and event with several hundreds of dollars. I'm good for it. Are you?

I'll accept the first two who hold confidence our market will be worse off by 03.28.2028.

Sytes
Are the 03.28.2028 valuations adjusted for inflation and devaluation of the $US for the 36 months?
 
Anyone who wants to place their $ where their confident keyboard post holds concern the market is going into whatever your claim to fear leads...
View attachment 366067

You "invest" $250 with the potential to make a 100% gain, paid by me if the these market #'s are not higher than present on 03.28.2028. If it is higher, you pay me $250 for you failed short.
Post here so all are witness and it will hold YOU and I accountable.

I've held myself accountable in every auction and event with several hundreds of dollars. I'm good for it. Are you?

I'll accept the first two who hold confidence our market will be worse off by 03.28.2028.

Sytes
I have no idea if the market will be worse or better, but I will have $250 more that is automatically invested by then.

I will continue to do so even if the market continues to drop.
 
Are the 03.28.2028 valuations adjusted for inflation and devaluation of the $US for the 36 months?
They are based just as they are based from 3 years earlier. I follow Buffett's viewpoint. It's the fear when to buy and the greed when to sell. Our value increases based on inflation, recession, correction, etc... Over those values, my "stock" was successful. Under those values, your "stock" was successful.
 
I'll accept the first two who hold confidence our market will be worse off by 03.28.2028.
This is open to any hunt talk member claiming a chicken little story.

Three years, liberals. Three years. That means ALL during Trump's term.

This should be an easy $500 your way to reap the rewards from the terrible economy based on the current political climate.

Crickets. As usual on Hunt Talk, lot of keyboard bravado little accountability for stroking your keys. :)
 
I attended an event featuring three economists on Friday who discussed Trump’s economic actions for an hour. Leader of the group preferenced his thought with the fact that he’s a glass half full guy. Second guy was trying to be agnostic and gave defending reasons for the actions. Third guy was a former Fed Reserve employee and talked a lot about strong dollar and effect on US manufacturing.

At the end, the main speaker asked the other two to give a one minute opinion of their personal thoughts on Trump’s economic plan. Agnostic guy thought about it a few seconds and said it would be an economic miracle if Trump’s tariff idea worked because tariffs have never worked in the past. Other two economists agreed.
 
I attended an event featuring three economists on Friday who discussed Trump’s economic actions for an hour. Leader of the group preferenced his thought with the fact that he’s a glass half full guy. Second guy was trying to be agnostic and gave defending reasons for the actions. Third guy was a former Fed Reserve employee and talked a lot about strong dollar and effect on US manufacturing.

At the end, the main speaker asked the other two to give a one minute opinion of their personal thoughts on Trump’s economic plan. Agnostic guy thought about it a few seconds and said it would be an economic miracle if Trump’s tariff idea worked because tariffs have never worked in the past. Other two economists agreed.
So are you gonna take @Sytes $250 bet?
 
So are you gonna take @Sytes $250 bet?
It’s a sucker bet. Ignores the loss percentage (7%?) since inauguration and has a term way too long. The market has only seen three periods in the last 100 years with three years of losses. Jimmy Carter’s terrible economy doesn’t meet the three year bet.

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The assumption on three years is that only Trump will make economic decisions. The reality is Trump has about six months before the next campaign cycle starts for Congress. If the economy is terrible, Rs will break from him. There’s a multitude of possibilities that can occur before 2028. Corrections will be made to correct the errors. Or, Trump will change his mind, or he won’t, or he will or…

The real question is are we heading towards a recession. Last study I saw raised the probability of a recession to 50%.
 
It’s a sucker bet. Ignores the loss percentage (7%?) since inauguration and has a term way too long. The market has only seen three periods in the last 100 years with three years of losses. Jimmy Carter’s terrible economy doesn’t meet the three year bet.

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The assumption on three years is that only Trump will make economic decisions. The reality is Trump has about six months before the next campaign cycle starts for Congress. If the economy is terrible, Rs will break from him. There’s a multitude of possibilities that can occur before 2028. Corrections will be made to correct the errors. Or, Trump will change his mind, or he won’t, or he will or…

The real question is are we heading towards a recession. Last study I saw raised the probability of a recession to 50%.
Last time we were in a recession they just changed the definition and crisis was averted. Doubt this administration will get the same treatment.
 
It’s a sucker bet. Ignores the loss percentage (7%?) since inauguration and has a term way too long. The market has only seen three periods in the last 100 years with three years of losses. Jimmy Carter’s terrible economy doesn’t meet the three year bet.

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The assumption on three years is that only Trump will make economic decisions. The reality is Trump has about six months before the next campaign cycle starts for Congress. If the economy is terrible, Rs will break from him. There’s a multitude of possibilities that can occur before 2028. Corrections will be made to correct the errors. Or, Trump will change his mind, or he won’t, or he will or…

The real question is are we heading towards a recession. Last study I saw raised the probability of a recession to 50%.
I'm sure 70% of HTrs would say there's a recession coming. That means nothing though. It's speculation. If you truly believed there was a recession coming, you'd gobble up the $250 bet.

It might be a sucker's bet, but there's a lot of sucker's who are insistent that we're all doomed for certain failure. Honestly, great proposal @Sytes

We'll all be okay. Life will be good, we're all hunting this year and enjoying the great public lands we still have, regardless of what cnn says. 🙂
 
U.S. recessions are typically under a year, longest 18 months. Three years is a spare timed safe haven. 😉 .

However, to those trench extreme Hunt Talk political key stroking lovers, they desire to spread fear of Trump destroying our economy to the many who will slurp up their bull chit posts.
Thus, call them out. Keep it ALL within Trump's time in office.
It makes their readers take stock that if Trump really is going to destroy our economy, why would they NOT call me out and take my offer?!?!?.

Talk is CHEAP. Put your $ where your mouth is. A few vocal Hunt Talk famed Whoopies that readers follow right off cliffs, pom poms blocking their view.
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Buffett call these occasions opportune times --people gain good/great value for quality companies for the mid - long term.
 
I’m just an ETF DCA guy whose made a few measly bucks on a specific pick here and there. I hadn’t really been paying attention recently to index funds that track Stoxx 50 and the similar. Looking after seeing this post and the YTD returns have been exceptional.

I’ve already got some exposure via a brokerage account we set up for our kid, but might dial those percentages upward a bit. Not going to take Sytes’ bet, but I’ll put $250 in FEZ or some such instead. I’ll use the proceeds to pay the naturalization application fees for one of those lands when I’m eligible.

One of my primary news sources is the Economist. They haven’t exactly claimed that sky has fallen, yet. But they’ve sure spilled a lot of ink explaining how it could happen. Consequently, I’ve been putting all my weekly personal DCA money into a HYSA instead of their regular ETF’s since earlier this year, plus pulling a little extra out here and there. Figure I’ll take my 4% for a bit and throw that back into the Roth if or after US markets continue down for a bit longer. Who knows? Maybe I’m wrong, all of it works out, and I’ll lose a few bucks for being out a bit too long. But, if smart money is buying when there’s blood in the streets and fear is the primary market motivator, I don’t think we’re quite there yet.
 
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They are based just as they are based from 3 years earlier. I follow Buffett's viewpoint. It's the fear when to buy and the greed when to sell. Our value increases based on inflation, recession, correction, etc... Over those values, my "stock" was successful. Under those values, your "stock" was successful.

I don't see how a future 3-28-2028 stock market valuation which is not adjusted so is apples to apples 3-28-2025 values. Not even sure a stock index is the measure to show whether your neighbors are better off in 36 months than today. Not everyone owns stocks. Or a house. Or a car. We all eat, though.

How about we bet on whether the price of a basket of groceries over these 36 months will go up more as a percentage than wages go up over the same 36 months? No need to adjust since are looking at growth or decline rather than absolute dollar change.
 
great post you shouldn’t included a poll so we can see how many people turn your offer down. Idk enough about the market to play your game.
 
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